{"id":1095,"date":"2012-02-14T00:01:54","date_gmt":"2012-02-14T05:01:54","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/netcommissioner.com\/askandy\/?p=1095"},"modified":"2012-02-24T16:22:23","modified_gmt":"2012-02-24T21:22:23","slug":"1095","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/netcommissioner.com\/askandy\/2012\/02\/1095\/","title":{"rendered":"Issue 290 \u2013 February 14, 2012"},"content":{"rendered":"<br \/>\n<hr>\n<p><strong>Rule No. 57:<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong> \u2022 One troop in town will constantly struggle to stay afloat; two troops in town will both succeed.<\/strong><\/p>\n<hr>\n<p><strong>HAPPY VALENTINE\u2019S DAY!<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Scouters, today\u2019s a special day to thank your own Valentines for their understanding, as they watch you trot off to all your Scouting events! Without their understanding, our movement would be so much less vibrant and smaller! (Our Honeys \u201cget it\u201d\u2014They know it\u2019s pretty difficult to get into Dutch while you\u2019re in a Scout uniform! So be sure they get lots of hugs, always!)<\/strong> <\/p>\n<hr>\n<p><strong>OH, WHAT A GREAT DAY IT WAS!<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>This past Saturday marked the 12th ANNUAL PRAIRIELANDS COUNCIL TRAINING COLLEGE, in Champaign, IL \u2013 A day of learning, sharing, fellowship, fun, and friendship!<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Glenn Overby first broached the idea of my joining his council\u2019s Scouters for the day; by August last year we\u2019d agreed that I\u2019d attend, and so I did.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>I\u2019m indebted to Glenn for reaching out, and to Course Directors Ellen Kuchenbrod and Jim Dieker for making me feel so welcome, together with more than one hundred fellow Scouters, many who had traveled considerable distances to be there. Special thanks, also, to Scout Executive Tim Manard and Development Director Dan Baker for their enthusiastic welcome! Most of all, sincere thanks go to all the Scouters themselves for making our \u201cAsk Andy\u201d session so rich and varied, with good questions and great Scouting spirit all around!<\/strong><\/p>\n<hr>\n<p><strong>Dear Andy,<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>You&#8217;ve often said that once issued, Scout uniforms are never obsolete. What about emblems? If a patrol wanted to use &#8220;old school&#8221; emblems, would that be OK? (Kevin Roszko, WDL, Great Lakes Council, MI)<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Yes, the &#8220;old&#8221; red-and-black patrol emblems are perfectly OK. (Between you n&#8217; me, I think they&#8217;re still pretty cool!)<\/p>\n<hr>\n<p><strong>Dear Andy,<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>I\u2019ve just accepted the position of Chartered Organization Representative of my church, for a pack and troop that we sponsor. As it turns out, the Scoutmaster has had a job change and will be moving, so the troop is looking for a replacement for him. What is my role in this process, or is the troop committee in charge of this? (Ron)<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The Chartered Organization Representative (aka &#8220;CR&#8221;) is a key player in this type of situation. The CR and the troop&#8217;s Committee Chair (CC) work together to identify, recruit, and support the person best suited to the role of incoming Scoutmaster. You can draw on talent from among committee members, Assistant Scoutmasters (if any), non-registered Scout parents, or a non-Scouting associated member of the congregation\u2014whoever would, in your estimation, fit the position best. Your council service center folks can provide you and your CC with a document that describes how best to go about this. Once you&#8217;ve identified the right person and recruited him or her, you and the CC will approve the selection, help this person register as the new SM, and then encourage the various training modules required to be successful in the position.<\/p>\n<p>Further, the BSA publishes an excellent booklet titled, &#8220;The Chartered Organization Representative,&#8221; and even has a &#8220;Fast Start&#8221; DVD for you! Check with your council&#8217;s designated District Executive for these.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Thanks for your insight and your resource suggestions. Does the committee vote on a Scoutmaster and present it to me, or is it a straight decision between the CC and me? (Ron)<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>There&#8217;s no &#8220;vote.&#8221; This is your decision, in collaboration with the CC.<\/p>\n<hr>\n<p><strong>Dear Andy,<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Here\u2019s a question I don\u2019t think you\u2019ve been asked before (I\u2019ve read a lot of your columns, for some years now): Can a Scout refuse a rank advancement? My son is a Second Class Scout. At the most recent court of honor, the Scoutmaster informed all Scouts who were Second Class rank that they were advancing to First Class. My son was taken by surprise; afterwards, he and I looked at the requirements for First Class and he stated that he hadn\u2019t completed them, despite being \u201cgiven\u201d the rank. Should he just accept the rank, or should we have a talk with the Scoutmaster about what he was thinking when he \u201cpromoted\u201d my son and the other Second Class Scouts? (Scout Dad, Northern Lights Council, ND)<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>You&#8217;re correct that this question\u2019s unique. What&#8217;s not unique, however, is a Scoutmaster who thinks ranks are like military &#8220;promotions,&#8221; and that he somehow has the authority to dispense or withhold them as he chooses. If your son believes he hasn&#8217;t completed all the requirements for First Class yet, then he has every right to stand by his principles and not accept the badge as if it were some sort of &#8220;prize.&#8221; It&#8217;s not. It&#8217;s a badge that signifies competence in a specific set of skills and knowledge, and he has the right to want to know and do this stuff before being handed it\u2014it has no meaning if it hasn\u2019t been earned. Yes, have that conversation. Make it face-to-face, and privately (no email!); keep it civil and positive. If the Scoutmaster argues or balks, go find another troop, where the Scoutmaster has the training necessary to get this stuff right. If the Scoutmaster gets it and amends, then all Scouts in the troop are the winners!<\/p>\n<hr>\n<p><strong>Dear Andy,<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>My troop and I (I\u2019m Scoutmaster) are working very closely with a Webelos II (aka \u201cArrow of Light\u201d) den to assist them with their Arrow of Light and cross-over ceremonies. The Den Leader has asked me about the significance of the arrow and should we make and give one to each boy crossing over. I\u2019ve been away from Cub Scouts\/Webelos for a long while and don\u2019t remember the answer to either question. Can you help us here? (Jeff Einhorn, SM, Great Salt Lake Council, UT)<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Arrows aren&#8217;t all that cheap these days, and this should rightly come out of the pack&#8217;s budget, as a &#8220;going away gift&#8221; to the graduating boys. The Cubmaster and you can make a join presentation, especially if all the boys are joining your troop. Just get yourself to the nearest sporting goods store that sells arrows (or find them online). Cool idea and a great &#8220;new tradition&#8221; for the pack! (My own son, who&#8217;s now in his 30&#8217;s, still has his graduation arrow!)<\/p>\n<p>If there&#8217;s time, paint rings on the arrows&#8217; shafts in different colors (&#8217;bout a quarter-inch wide, per ring), signifying Tiger, Wolf, Bear, Arrow Points, etc., etc., etc.!<\/p>\n<hr>\n<p><strong>Dear Andy,<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>I\u2019ve read your comments about attendance requirements and have forwarded them, along with the BSA\u2019s new 2011 GUIDE TO ADVANCEMENT, to our troop committee. As a result, they\u2019ve backed off on attendance requirements for some of the Scouts, but they still want to implement some form of attendance requirement for leadership positions. Their thinking is, how can a Scout be credited with, let\u2019s say, the Scribe leadership position if he isn\u2019t at the troop meetings? The same attitude prevails for ASPL and other positions as well. Can you let me know what the BSA\u2019s thinking on holding Scouts who are in leadership positions to a different standard is? (I didn\u2019t see it directly addressed in the new guidebook.) I can sort of understand the committee\u2019s reasoning, but I do want to follow BSA guidelines on this. (Richard Graham)<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ve passed your thoughts on to a member of the team that contributed to the development of the GUIDE TO ADVANCEMENT. Here\u2019s what he has to say\u2026<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hi Richard! As Andy\u2019s said, I was on the National Volunteer Review Panel that assisted the BSA national staff with the writing and review of the GUIDE TO ADVANCEMENT and new Eagle Service Project Workbook. First, remember that the \u201cactive\u201d and \u201cposition of responsibility\u201d requirements refer only to Star, Life and Eagle ranks, and they are completely different requirements. They don\u2019t have to be done concurrently. Prior to Star rank, the closest things to \u201cactive\u201d are the Second Class and First Class \u201cattendance at five\/ten troop events\u201d (respectively) requirements. For Star and beyond, the Scout may have specific criteria to meet in completing the \u201cactive\u201d and \u201cposition of responsibility\u201d requirements, based on the Unit&#8217;s established &#8220;reasonable expectations.\u201d This means that, if a unit wants to set 75% attendance at meetings and events, it can; but if the Scout can\u2019t meet that expectation for reasons such as other activities he is involved in (sports, band, science fairs, job, at-home responsibilities, etc.), he\u2019s allowed to provide an acceptable description of this at his board of review. If the reviewers accept the Scout\u2019s explanation, then he can be advanced in rank; if they don&#8217;t, then the Scout can appeal that decision at the district and\/or council level. However, for positions of responsibility, requirement is different. Each such position has specific responsibilities as described in BSA literature. Again, the unit may set expectations, and they must be both reasonable and communicated in advance to the Scout. (This is even listed in the guide, in a separate \u201cbold\u201d box on page 23.) Some positions may have a higher expectation for weekly troop meeting attendance, such as for Senior Patrol Leaders and Patrol Leaders, while other may be less so, such as Bugler, OA Representative or Chaplain Aide, and some even less than these, like Den Chief. The key isn\u2019t so much about attendance, but about performance of the position\u2019s responsibilities; if a Scout isn\u2019t fulfilling the responsibilities, then counseling and\/or reassignment may be needed. Again, the same procedure applies here as applies to \u201cactive\u201d\u2014If the Scout feels he\u2019s fulfilled the responsibilities of the position, he can make his case at his board of review, and has the right to appeal an unfavorable decision by the reviewers. Therefore, I don&#8217;t think the BSA is holding Scouts in positions of responsibility to any higher attendance standard. Older Scouts are typically a troop\u2019s leaders, and we need them to run the &#8220;Scout-led&#8221; troop, so expecting them to be there on a regular basis to me isn\u2019t unreasonable. If you do have a Scout who, for whatever reason, can\u2019t attend regularly, then don&#8217;t put him in a position that demands this until his situation changes, or\u2014even better\u2014find a position for him that doesn\u2019t require rigorous attendance. Of course, if your troop calendar is filled with cool events, and troop meeting are fun and challenging, that your Scouts don\u2019t want to miss out on, then these requirements will hardly be an issue. (Matt Culbertson, SM &amp; Guide to Advancement Volunteer Review Panel Member)<\/strong><\/p>\n<hr>\n<p><strong>Dear Andy,<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Shortly after I moved on from being Cubmaster, my former pack\u2019s Committee Chair changed over to become the newest Cubmaster. He then called for a meeting with the parents, to inform them that, beginning immediately, he would be running all den and pack meetings. On being told this, some of the parents pulled their sons out of the pack, only to be informed that unless they returned they\u2019d be fined for non-participation. When they went to our Scout Executive, he told them his hands were tied, that the Cubmaster was free to run the pack as he saw fit. The sponsor\u2019s Chartered Organization Representative says he\u2019s powerless to stop this, too. Is this possible? Can a pack\u2019s leaders actually fine families for not showing up, when they don\u2019t want their sons in a particular pack? (Name &amp; Council Withheld)<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Yup, it\u2019s true that there&#8217;s really nothing a Scout Executive has the authority to do, unless civil or criminal laws are violated (in other words, simply being a jerk or tyrant doesn&#8217;t qualify for dismissal as a registered volunteer\u2014at least not by the council). So, unless the Chartered Organization Representative grows a spine (he does have the authority to kick this jerk into the middle of next week), there\u2019s not going to be a leadership change. But\u2026 These parents also need to know that they should simply ignore the nonsensical \u201cfines\u201d threat: It\u2019s unenforceable. (Maybe it\u2019s time the parents took their own sons\u2019 Scouting destinies into their own hands and demand all together that the sponsor dump this little tin god, so they can get the pack back on the track.)<\/p>\n<hr>\n<p><strong>Dear Andy,<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>In our troop, we\u2019ve been having many discussions about what would constitute approved service hours for rank advancement. I\u2019d appreciate your insight and experience with this. (Larry O\u2019Neal, SM, Occoneechee Council, NC)<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Let&#8217;s start here: Service to others is fundamental to Scouting, from Cub Scouts through every other BSA program for youth. Service is best when it happens naturally, as a part of how our youth think about themselves and their relationship to others, their community, and the world at large. While four of Boy Scouting&#8217;s six ranks (Second Class, Star, Life, and Eagle) have specific service requirements, this by no means excludes other-ranked Scouts from &#8220;helping other people at all times.&#8221; The idea behind obtaining approval (in advance, we&#8217;d hope) is to encourage Scouts to think about what they&#8217;d like to do for others, whether it be for their religious institution, school, community at large, or sometimes even individuals. Moreover, only the service project required for Eagle rank excludes helping a BSA council district, or unit, which means that service rendered other than for Eagle rank can include such things as conservation projects at their Scout camp, or even something done for their own troop. The new GUIDE TO ADVANCEMENT (see page 22 &#8211; section 4.2.3.3) provides a good overview on the subject of service.<\/p>\n<p>The key is for this to happen in as natural and uncomplicated a manner as possible&#8230; It should be a &#8220;happy surprise,&#8221; rather than &#8220;show up here and get credit for hours,&#8221; which instills the notion of pay-off for service rather than providing service for the sheer joy of knowing you&#8217;re helping others.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Approval,&#8221; per se, can be for service to others as far-ranging as helping make sandwiches at a local soup kitchen to collecting toiletries for people in disaster areas, to providing school supplies or toys for underprivileged children somewhere (out of country or around the corner), and the opportunities are endless. The only thing we stay away from is raising money for non-BSA groups or organizations. Beyond that, the door&#8217;s pretty wide open! The idea is not so much what&#8217;s done as just getting out there and doing something for others. And yes, this even includes helping little old ladies across the street!<\/p>\n<hr>\n<p><strong>Dear Andy,<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Yesterday, our pack had its best Pinewood Derby ever, but with a hitch. One of our Den Leaders has two sons in the pack; both are very competitive. Both boys were there at the start of the Derby, but very early on, one said he wasn\u2019t feeling well and went home (we didn\u2019t, at the time, know he\u2019d left). When race-time started, the other brother raced his younger brother\u2019s car, which at the time didn\u2019t seem like any big deal to anyone, until the car of the now-absent boy kept winning every heat. Well, you guessed it, that boy\u2019s car took First Place.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>At the time, there was no particular commentary about this boy\u2019s car being the overall winner, but once everyone had left for the day and we were there cleaning up, I asked myself, \u201cIf that boy wasn\u2019t there to race his own car and he hadn\u2019t had a brother to do this for him, wouldn&#8217;t he have been disqualified?&#8221; But then I thought, &#8220;I wouldn&#8217;t want a sick boy staying there simply because he wanted his car to race and didn&#8217;t want to be disqualified.\u201d So what to do, now? Should it be \u201cno owner-no race\u201d? Or leave what\u2019s done, done? What if somebody questions it down the road? (Sue Low, Boston Minuteman Council, MA)<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Well, I&#8217;m thinking that Pinewood Derby races and such are about the performance of the cars the Cubs built; not the Cubs themselves. In fact, by the time of the race, the Cub\u2019s work is done once his car&#8217;s been entered and weighed in. (In some packs, the boys don&#8217;t even touch their cars once they&#8217;re entered&#8230; pack leaders and\/or volunteer parents place the cars on the track, etc.) Suppose the boy put his car on the track for his heat, and then had to run to the boys&#8217; room&#8230; Would his win be disqualified? Probably not. In your case, the boy said he was ill, and we&#8217;re obliged to accept this as &#8220;Scout&#8217;s honor.&#8221; So, my call would be that a winning car is a winning car. After all, a boy gets his rank badge or arrow point or whatever, even if he misses the pack meeting, yes? I think the important thing is to keep this as matter-of-fact as possible, and not engage in any &#8220;complaints&#8221; other than to say, &#8220;This was the fastest car, according to the timing device and\/or judges,&#8221; and let it go at that. The bottom line is simple: This kid built one blazing-fast car that blew the doors off all the others, including his own brother\u2019s!<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>Happy Scouting!<\/strong><\/em><br \/>\n<em><strong> Andy<\/strong><\/em><br \/>\n<strong> (No. 290 \u2013 2\/14\/2012 \u2013 Copyright \u00a9 Andy McCommish 2012)<\/strong><\/p>\n<!-- AddThis Advanced Settings generic via filter on the_content --><!-- AddThis Share Buttons generic via filter on the_content -->","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Rule No. 57: \u2022 One troop in town will constantly struggle to stay afloat; two troops in town will both succeed. HAPPY VALENTINE\u2019S DAY! Scouters, today\u2019s a special day to thank your own Valentines for their understanding, as they watch you trot off to all your Scouting events! 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