{"id":1518,"date":"2013-08-02T17:58:58","date_gmt":"2013-08-02T21:58:58","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/netcommissioner.com\/askandy\/?p=1518"},"modified":"2013-08-02T17:58:58","modified_gmt":"2013-08-02T21:58:58","slug":"issue-360-august-2-2013","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/netcommissioner.com\/askandy\/2013\/08\/issue-360-august-2-2013\/","title":{"rendered":"Issue 360 \u2013 August 2, 2013"},"content":{"rendered":"

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\nThe NATIONAL JAMBOREE was a hoot! Over 27,000 Scouts and Venturers (the Venturing guys and gals looked great in green\u2014wonderful additions!) supported by close to 3,000 volunteers. The venues, ranging from all sorts of shooting activities, dragon boats on the lake, five miles of zip lines, and spectacular arena shows, were all wonderful experiences for the young people we\u2019re here to serve!<\/strong><\/p>\n

Special thanks to Ken King, Todd Plotner, and Bill Steele, all coordinating and managing the NESA exhibit and guest speakers. Guys, I really appreciate the opportunity to be aboard for this ride. Thanks for including me in a great Jamboree program!<\/strong><\/p>\n

My biggest \u201cpaycheck\u201d came, however, not from the great audiences at the NESA talks, but from a whole bunch of boots-on-the-ground Scouters who spotted me around the Jamboree, came up to me and shook my hand with \u201cAndy, you helped me save my son\u2019s troop!\u201d \u201cAndy, you rescued my pack!\u201d \u201cAndy, my son made Eagle thanks to you!\u201d Even now, your friendship means so much to me that I\u2019m choking up a bit just writing this. Thanks, folks \u2013 You recharged my batteries!<\/strong><\/p>\n

See you at The Summit in 2017!<\/strong>
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\nHi Andy,<\/strong><\/p>\n

Great to see you at the Jamboree! Hey, here\u2019s my question\u2026 Who has the final say on dismissing a Scoutmaster when he refuses to comply with BSA policy? Is it the Committee Chair, the chartered organization, unit committee vote, or what? (S.T.)<\/strong><\/p>\n

Thanks for stopping by the NESA exhibit and saying Hi!<\/p>\n

No, there’s no “vote.” It’s the responsibility of the CC, in concert with the CR (Chartered Organization Representative), to dismiss any unit volunteer who refuses to comply with BSA policies, procedures, rules, or regulations. There’s no “three strikes” rule or “grace period”: He either complies or he’s history, on the spot. All that needs be said is, “Thank you for your services to the troop; they will no longer be needed.” There is no recourse through the district or council for reinstatement. Even if the troop is without an immediate replacement, this is preferable to someone who refuses to follow BSA standards.<\/p>\n

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\nHello Andy,<\/strong><\/p>\n

Can you give us some direction on the CPR experience the BSA requires for merit badges? We\u2019ve had some Merit Badge Counselors recently insist that a Scout has to provide certification that he\u2019s taken a formal CPR class (these can take six to eight hours and seem to be excessive). Yet, the actual requirement for Swimming merit badge is simply \u201c(2a) Identify the conditions that must exist before performing CPR on a person, Explain how to recognize such conditions; and (2b) Demonstrate proper technique for performing CPR using a training device approved by your counselor.\u201d Having a MBC add an extra requirement that the Scout must be certified doesn\u2019t seem right. Are we missing something, or are these MBCs being a bit over the top in what they\u2019re demanding of our Scouts? (Roger Burcroff)<\/strong><\/p>\n

We know that the BSA’s requirements for ranks and merit badges, etc. can neither be added to nor subtracted from. This being the case, requiring a Scout to show evidence of having taken a CPR class or be certified in CPR when this isn’t specifically stated in a requirement constitutes a violation of BSA advancement policy.<\/p>\n

Neither Merit Badge Counselors nor anyone else involved in the BSA advancement process has the authority to become a “zealot” if this means arbitrarily adding to a requirement–regardless of their intention in doing so. No one can set himself or herself above BSA standards. Period.<\/p>\n

If you encounter a MBC who is exceeding his or her authority, or, conversely, is reducing the vitality of requirements, your first step is to have a conversation with that person about following requirements precisely as written (requirements do not permit “interpretation”). If the person sees the light, that’s all that needs happen. If there’s a refusal to follow requirements as written, then two things need to happen. First, immediately stop directing Scouts to that person. Second, report his or her noncompliance to your district or council advancement committee, so that they can take appropriate corrective action. ________________________________________
\nDear Andy,<\/strong><\/p>\n

Our troop has a new Scoutmaster. He seems to have his own agenda. For instance, he doesn\u2019t allow separate patrol meetings anymore, when all the Scouts really enjoy these (and the \u201cindependent\u201d feelings about themselves they get from these). Now, all the Patrol Leaders do is follow the Scoutmaster\u2019s orders. They\u2019re afraid to speak up for themselves because they don\u2019t want the new Scoutmaster to \u201cfire\u201d them from their leadership positions. One of the Patrol Leaders is my son. What should he do? Help! (Concerned Parent)<\/strong><\/p>\n

Fixing this isn\u2019t a job for your son or any other Scout. This is where you parents come in, and get this troop back on track.<\/p>\n

First, this new Scoutmaster needs to be educated as to what his responsibilities are (and aren’t) and this is best done by the Committee Chair to whom he reports (yes, Scoutmasters do report to the CC). The CC needs to insist the Scoutmaster take the necessary position-specific training, and then start following the BSA program for Boy Scouts as written\u2014not his “interpretation” of it. If he stalls or refuses, he needs to be fired on the spot. A troop is actually better off with a temporary “hole” in the Scoutmaster slot than to have a tin god run roughshod over the Scouts.<\/p>\n

Waste no time in taking action. This has to be fixed immediately, before this yo-yo destroys the troop entirely.
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\nHello Andy,<\/strong><\/p>\n

In a recent column, you talked about Scouts participating in dodge ball and in snowball fights. First, let me say that I\u2019d love to see all the games Scouts play be of a Scouting nature and in a patrol competition format. That said, I’ve learned that Scout-age boys don’t always want to do what we adults would like to see them do. The Scouts in our Troop frequently choose to play dodge ball. You recommended that we should make the stretch from BSA’s restriction against human or living representations as targets in shooting sports to infer that targeting humans with dodge ball games or snowball fights would also be unacceptable. I respect the help you offer and your years of experience; however, I have to respectfully disagree with you on this point and on the logic you took to get there.<\/strong><\/p>\n

I work in law enforcement and have taken many firearms training courses. Whether through law enforcement, NRA, or BSA, there is a basic concept taught over and over again: to never point a firearm at anything you do not want to “destroy.” BSA’s policy has grown from this concept. It\u2019s the same reason that Boy Scouts don\u2019t go hunting\u2014we\u2019re teaching youth to shoot as a sport and a skill; not as a means of killing. (The BSA does recognize that hunting can be done as a sport and allows it in the Venturing program when done to meet the required safety standards.) I’m fairly confident that when the policy was written under the heading of \u201cShooting Sports\u201d nobody was intending it to be stretched to cover snowball fights and dodge ball.<\/strong><\/p>\n

We don\u2019t ban Scouts from other sports that have physical contact. In fact, we have a special relationship and outreach into the Hispanic community through soccer, in which hitting the ball with your head is a part of the game.<\/strong><\/p>\n

The BSA, their safety experts, risk management people, and lawyers have all reviewed the policies and have created a list of “Unauthorized and Restricted Activities” under the GTSS heading of \u201cSports and Activities.\u201d They\u2019ve listed activities, such as bungee jumping, that carry a higher and unacceptable degree of risk. They\u2019ve not restricted any team sports with the exception of “Varsity or Club Football,” allowing even for this high-injury game at a lower level of play and competition. If this is allowed, then surely dodge ball games and snowball fights are acceptable.<\/strong><\/p>\n

You also suggested that martial arts were banned, due to human targeting. I would submit that this restriction may have more to do with one-on-one fighting. The discipline and values of these arts are not even recognized and understood by most adults, who also simply see it as no more than a fighting style and or skill.<\/strong><\/p>\n

The BSA has created a specific list of restrictions and, like the requirements for Scout advancement, we do our Scouts a disservice if we add to it or interpret it to mean anything other than exactly what it says. If the BSA’s policies or insurance had a concern with Scouts enjoying dodge ball or snowball fights, I believe they\u2019d specifically say so. There is always potential for abuse and injury in just about everything we do. These examples are no exception. I think we can mitigate the risk without banning activities.<\/strong><\/p>\n

I don’t believe the Scouts need us to pick their games for them. Most of the value of free play would be lost if the adults picked the games and made the rules. Our job, I believe, is too make sure everyone is safe and being treated fairly. Meanwhile, let the Scouts pick their own games and make their own rules. (Name & Council Withheld)<\/strong><\/p>\n

This column isn\u2019t a \u201cforum\u201d and you haven\u2019t asked a question; however, I\u2019m making an exception here in publishing your letter because I have a feeling there\u2019s a great \u201clearning opportunity\u201d here\u2014even if it\u2019s not yours.<\/p>\n

In no particular order\u2026 The “soccer” example is, of course, borderline silly, because striking the ball with one’s head is a whole lot different from throwing or kicking a ball at another person’s head. As for martial arts, Aikido (the only one the BSA permits) is “non-striking”\u2014something very different from boxing, Karate, and such. Finally, the purpose of discharging a firearm at a living target is hardly to “destroy” it. Other weapons \u201cdestroy;\u201d bullets don\u2019t. Finally in this arena, have you considered what you\u2019re describing when you refer to snowball \u201cfights\u201d?<\/p>\n

The bottom line here is that you’d prefer not to use good sense (beats \u201ccommon\u201d sense any day of the week) and help Scouts redirect themselves toward activities that don\u2019t involve human targets\u2014even when Scouts themselves understand that what they\u2019re doing has a human-to-human striking element. That’s your prerogative, I suppose. So, when a Scout is injured by another Scout in the course of a “human target” game, it will be considered an incident, not an accident, and I wish you the best of luck when your BSA insurance is denied and you’re left flappin’ in the breeze.
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\nDear Andy,<\/strong><\/p>\n

The 2011 Guide to Advancement says the following in Topic 7.0.0.2: \u201cIt is important to note the blue card is the nationally recognized merit badge record. It has been updated from time to time and carries the information needed for proper posting and for evidence and reference as needed later. For very large events\u2014such as the national Scout jamboree\u2014the National Council may approve an alternative format and sizing for the blue card. This is done through the national Advancement Team.\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n

Should we as adult leaders be accepting forms other than the official<\/strong>
\n blue card or an approved alternative from our local council summer camps? (John Pinchot, Longhorn Council, TX)<\/strong><\/p>\n

Your best bet is to make sure the adult volunteers who accompany the Scouts to camp have a bunch of pre-signed Blue Cards for the Scouts. They can then use these when they sign up for various merit badges. If the camp, however, uses some different form, it’s reasonable to conclude that these are council-approved and need not be questioned.<\/p>\n

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\nDear Andy,<\/strong><\/p>\n

I understand that a Webelo receives a special award if he completes all 20 activity badges. Can you tell me what that is? (Linda)<\/strong><\/p>\n

Check pages 60-61 of the Webelos Handbook.<\/p>\n

Oh, and by the way, it’s Webelos (with an “s”) whether you’re talking about a den of Webelos Scouts or a single Webelos.
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\nDear Andy,<\/strong><\/p>\n

While discussing wayward Merit Badge Counselors in your July 5, 2013 column (No. 359) you said, \u201cFor home Merit Badge Counselors\u2026the key contact person is\u2026the Council (not district) Advancement Chair.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Oops! Actually, the first point of contact definitely is the District Advancement Chair, because this is the person who approves Merit Badge Counselors for the district (but yes, final approval is officially the Council Advancement Committee\u2014not the Council Advancement Chair\u2014and each DAC is a member of the council advancement committee, so the task is delegated to the districts). Now if the DAC doesn\u2019t give you satisfaction, then you\u2019d go over his head to the Council Advancement Chair. (James Eager, DAC, Gulf Ridge Council)<\/strong><\/p>\n

Sorry, no twenty lashes with a wet lanyard happenin\u2019 today!<\/p>\n

Yes, the authorization to approve MBCs may be accorded a district’s advancement committee, if the council advancement committee elects; however, this is not a universal practice. Since, ultimately, it is the CAC which approves all MBCs and, in fact, is responsible for renewing MBCs each registration year, it is the CAC which would typically be notified of a difficulty. When one carries out such notification, it’s a best practice to contact the person most responsible: the chair of the committee. Now the council-level chair may choose to pass the concern to the corresponding district’s advancement committee or to collaborate with that committee, or not, at the council advancement chair’s discretion.<\/p>\n

Your council may have adopted an alternate method, and this is probably just fine; however, it would probably be unwise to consider your local procedure something that applies to the 300+ remaining councils of the BSA.<\/p>\n

Happy Scouting!<\/strong>
\n <\/strong><\/p>\n

Andy<\/strong><\/em>
\n <\/strong><\/p>\n

Have a question? Facing a dilemma? Wondering where to find a BSA policy or guideline? Write to askandybsa@yahoo.com. Please include your name and council. (If you\u2019d prefer to be anonymous, if published, let me know and that\u2019s what we\u2019ll do.)<\/strong><\/p>\n

[No. 360 \u2013 8\/2\/2013 \u2013 Copyright \u00a9 Andy McCommish 2013]<\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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