{"id":1764,"date":"2014-11-18T09:13:23","date_gmt":"2014-11-18T14:13:23","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/netcommissioner.com\/askandy\/?p=1764"},"modified":"2014-11-18T09:13:23","modified_gmt":"2014-11-18T14:13:23","slug":"issue-422-november-18-2014","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/netcommissioner.com\/askandy\/2014\/11\/issue-422-november-18-2014\/","title":{"rendered":"Issue 422 \u2013 November 18, 2014"},"content":{"rendered":"

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\nCHICAGOLAND SUCCESS!<\/strong><\/p>\n

The Chicago Area Council\u2019s annual University of Scouting was tops! Broke past attendance records, great Scouters, and a fine group of Scouts to boot. Thanks to all, and especially Rich Carroll for inviting me!<\/strong>
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\nDear Andy,<\/strong><\/p>\n

I have a Scout in the troop who\u2019s being held back in advancement, or being forced to repeat requirements on his path to First Class because, according to our advancement chair, \u201cother members of his patrol are behind him and need to be allowed to catch up, first.\u201d This particular Scout attends nearly all events and meetings, while other members of his patrol have missed several. I know what this advancement chair is doing is unfair and wrong, and this Scouts parents know that, too. But the advancement chair believes he’s in the right and is stick to it. Is there some place in the GUIDE TO ADVANCEMENT, or SCOUT HANDBOOK, that these parents can show the advancement chair, to back up their position? (Frustrated Troop Leader)<\/strong><\/p>\n

The difference between “being right and “believing” you’re right is as disparate as lightning and the lightning bug.<\/p>\n

As for sources material, the most current handbook alludes to it, the 11th Edition says it best, and with complete clarity (see pp. 1 and 14): “YOU will set positive goals FOR YOURSELF and then follow clear routes to achieve them;” “You can advance AT YOUR OWN PACE” (EMPHASIS MINE). Moreover, it’s a fundamental principle of Scouting that, once completed, a Scout never has to repeat any requirement for a rank or merit badge.<\/p>\n

Advancement chairs, or more accurately “advancement coordinators” are record-keepers; they are definitely not arbiters of what does or does not constitute “advancement.<\/p>\n

Scout advancement isn’t a race. Every Scout has the opportunity to advance, and he does so at his own pace; not at the whim of anyone other than himself. To inflict the sort of this you’ve described is the antithesis of Scout advancement.<\/p>\n

A Scout who advances more rapidly than others in his patrol is setting the best possible example. To artificially and arbitrarily impede his progress is the antithesis of Scout advancement aims and goals. We are not here to enforce the lowest common denominator; we’re here to encourage and support individual initiative and resourcefulness.<\/p>\n

Unless this self-appointed game-flattener is willing to abandon his misguided “beliefs,” he must be politely and instantly removed before he further damages the Scouts of this troop. There is simply no room in Scouting for this sort of pedantry.<\/p>\n

If you decide to approach this from his erroneous perspective, demand that he show you\u2014in writing\u2014any BSA statement supporting his “belief.” I personally guarantee: He will fail.<\/p>\n

All this said, don\u2019t allow this Scout\u2019s parents to go it alone. The Scoutmaster and every ASM, plus the Committee Chair and committee members need to tell this yahoo he\u2019s wrong, and to cut it out instantly. Scouting has only one place for self-appointed policy-makers: the trash can.
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\nDear Andy,<\/strong><\/p>\n

After several years as a Scouting volunteer I\u2019ve just taken on the role of Assistant Scoutmaster. We have an advancement guy on our troop committee who\u2019s insisting that Scoutmasters and ASMs aren\u2019t allowed to sign off on a Scout\u2019s rank requirements. He\u2019s also saying we can\u2019t be present at any boards of review. Can you tell me what the official rules are, for requirement sign-offs and participation in boards of review? (New to ASM but not so new to Scouting)<\/strong><\/p>\n

All advice from self-appointed experts should be graciously accepted and rigorously verified. The part about Scoutmasters and assistants being ineligible to sign off on Scouts’ completed requirements and ranks is utter nonsense, as the Scouts’ own handbooks verify. As for boards of review, a quick check of the GUIDE TO ADVANCEMENT verifies that neither Scoutmasters nor their assistants sit on boards of review for any rank; however, they can certainly be present to introduce the Scout and remain present to address any questions about the troop program that the reviewers might have. All of this is “in the Book.” It just requires a bit of well-spent time reading: RTFM means Read The Friendly Manual!
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\nHi Andy,<\/strong><\/p>\n

Who is allowed or authorized to sign off on rank requirements? I\u2019ve seen some troops where Scouts of higher ranks can do this, but I\u2019ve also seen troops where the only one allowed to do this is the troop\u2019s advancement chair. Is there a BSA policy anywhere that can help sort this out? (Ben Hayes, MC)<\/strong><\/p>\n

Advancement is a significant part of the overall troop program, and the manager of this process is the Scoutmaster. The Scoutmaster may recommend that the youth leaders\u2014Patrol Leaders and Senior Patrol Leader\u2014sign off Scouts on requirements for the three foundational ranks (Tenderfoot, Second Class, and First Class), but after this, the main responsibility falls to the Scoutmaster (for verification, check the requirements for Star, Life, and Eagle). The Scoutmaster may appoint one or more ASMs to assist with this, but committee members have different sets of responsibilities that aren’t troop program-related. As for the troop’s advancement coordinator (or “chair” in some troops), this position is largely one of record-keeping; definitely not \u201cpolicy-making\u201d!
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\nDear Andy,<\/strong><\/p>\n

I was recently at a district roundtable where they did a Wood Badge beading ceremony. Strangely to me, they didn\u2019t sing \u201cThe Gilwell Song.\u201d I asked about this and they told me that \u201cthis song can only be sung while on the Wood Badge course” and not anywhere else. I was pretty shocked. Is this true? (John Urban, Bear NE-IV-207)<\/strong><\/p>\n

That’s either pure baloney or a very weird local “tradition.” It’s certainly not universal at all! (WE4-58-89 \u2013 Owl PPL)
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\nDear Andy,<\/strong><\/p>\n

There\u2019s a parent in my troop, who also sits on our troop committee as our advancement chair. This adult scouter really disappointed me lately. They came to my place of work and accused me of not liking or supporting their work as advancement chair because of their gender. Then, at a recent meeting where we were talking about a Philmont trek, I was reading where the Philmont Guide says: “\u2026there are no gender restrictions for adult leadership at Philmont\u201d and “\u2026Female advisers must be responsible for female participants; male advisers must be responsible for the male participants.” I understood this to mean if we had an all-male youth Philmont crew we\u2019d need to have all male advisers. This adult told me I was wrong, so after doing some checking I discovered that yes, I was wrong, and informed this adult leader of what I\u2019d learned. My thinking was that this would resolve the situation; I was wrong. The next day, they yelled at our Committee Chair for a half-hour on the phone, followed by a lengthy email, threatening to report me to our council for having been wrong about the Philmont gender issue. This adult leader has been through Wood Badge recently, but several other parents and leaders have noticed that this leader likes to join in and participate in the Scouts\u2019 activities rather than remaining on the sidelines. I had been really hoping Wood Badge would open their eyes as to what our role is, but I\u2019m afraid this hasn\u2019t happened. They claim that since I\u2019ve been in Scouting since I was a youth I should know all the policies and procedures, but I\u2019ll be the first to say I don’t know everything. I volunteered to be Scoutmaster because I know what a difference the Scouting program can make in the lives of young men. What I didn\u2019t sign up for\u2014nor did our Committee Chair\u2014is having to deal with an overabundance of drama from another volunteer. Any advice you can give, I would really appreciate. (Name & Council Withheld)<\/strong><\/p>\n

Although you\u2019ve worked pretty assiduously to obscure who\u2019s who, it\u2019s fairly obvious that you’re male and the “parent\/adult Scouter” you’re talking about is female. But so what? There\u2019s no need to obfuscate, because the essential problem\u2014based on your description\u2014is that of a contentious, negatively aggressive volunteer who’s interfering with the proper functioning of a troop, to say nothing of being a morale-buster as well. So, gender issues or not, the prescription is the same…<\/p>\n

You and the troop’s Committee Chair together need to sit down, face-to-face, with her and explain that negative behavior among volunteers is just as disruptive to the troop as the same would be if you were talking about a Scout: It’s unacceptable and must stop immediately, and that the consequence of its not ceasing immediately is removal from the troop roster.<\/p>\n

If she\u2019s willing to stop this stuff, then all’s well. If not, then the Committee Chair has the authority and obligation to thank her for services to date and inform her that tenure in position ends right now. No email. No letters. No “three strikes.” No “second chances” unless she agrees to cease this behavior instantly and without further argument about who’s right and who’s wrong (this cannot be allowed to become a debate).<\/p>\n

Waste no time. The longer you delay, the more damage will be done all around. And stop the pussy-footing.
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\nDear Andy,<\/strong><\/p>\n

I\u2019ve noticed that, in several of your columns, you state that Boy Scouts conducting a flag ceremony are a \u201cflag detail\u201d and not a \u201ccolor guard.\u201d I get your point about a color guard being armed (or simulation of same), and it makes sense to me. So my question is: Where can I find the term \u201cflag detail\u201d in official documentation? I\u2019m asking because I\u2019d love to have something to show people when trying to get them to accept the change. Thanks for all that you do! Your attention to detail is a wonderful help in trying to get folks to recognize the difference between “traditions” and true policies and procedures. (Rob Landquist, SM, Potawatomi Area Council)<\/strong><\/p>\n

If you mean “Official BSA,” you’re pretty unlikely to find that granular a level of detail for something like this… Sometimes it takes some honest research and then good sense\u2014not “rules” to follow unthinkingly. As Scoutmaster, just counsel your Senior Patrol Leader and make the change. Most folks won’t even notice, and those who do, you just tell ’em, “We’ve got this covered. Thank you very much.” In short, just do it. There’s no “convincing” or “selling” involved, and you sure don’t want to get into the hairball of “asking permission.”<\/p>\n

BTW, if you’re looking for cool (and highly detailed!) flag ceremonies, the best ones online are by the Girl Scouts! Just use your favorite search engine!
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\nDear Andy,<\/strong><\/p>\n

We are trying to come up with a troop anti-bullying policy. I\u2019ve read that the BSA has a \u201czero tolerance\u201d policy on bullying. One of your columns gives an example from business: \u201cIf there is a zero tolerance drug policy at my office and I test positive for drugs, I get fired.\u201d I assume by implication that the offending scout would be expelled from the troop upon one instance of bullying. What I read in the GTSS and other BSA literature and training is quite to the contrary (the GTSS uses the term “may;” not “shall”): “All members of the Boy Scouts of America are expected to conduct themselves in accordance with the principles set forth in the Scout Oath and Scout Law. Physical violence, hazing, bullying, theft, verbal insults, and drugs and alcohol have no place in the Scouting program and may result in the revocation of a Scout\u2019s membership in the unit.” BSA training and literature are also clear that the offending Scouts are not to be labelled ‘bullies”. The BSA training and literature I was able to find make sense. Depending on the severity, troops are free to impose any number of sanctions or penalties as relates to bullying. This takes into account an attempt to rehabilitate or educate the offending Scout which I think is in line with the goal of Scouting: to mold and educate boys into young men of good character who are good citizens. Scouting specifically recognizes that children are not born with the innate sense of right and wrong. Depending on the severity of the behavior, any number of penalties can be imposed. These range from a warning to expulsion. But nowhere do I find that the offending Scout “must” or “shall” be expelled from the troop. Common sense comes into play. Could you give me some further guidance on the zero tolerance policy? (David Bernhardt, ASM, Heart of Virginia Council)<\/strong><\/p>\n

Yes, there was a \u201cbusiness-related\u201d statement about what zero tolerance can mean in the workplace; however, you\u2019ve incorrectly attributed it. It was not a statement I made; it was made by a reader who\u2019d written to me. (Go back and check it: It\u2019s the last Q&A in Issue 207, September 25, 2010.)<\/p>\n

That said, let\u2019s tackle your question\u2026 In the case of a Scouting unit, I believe it’s fair to interpret “zero tolerance” to mean that the Scout MUST stop this aberrant behavior immediately; it is not to be repeated. In order to build boys into men, we need to educate and counsel them. Immediate dismissal from a Scouting unit would therefore be counterproductive, because no counseling or mentoring can take place with a young man who really needs it. Nonetheless, if the young man’s behavior is such that he has or demonstrates the potential for harm to himself or others, then he must be removed from further contact with his fellow Scouts until counseling\u2014by professionals rather than by volunteers\u2014has taken hold and he can safely return to his Scouting unit.<\/p>\n

Do understand that my viewpoint on this is not official– I’m a boots-on-the-ground volunteer just like you! For further clarity, I recommend your home council’s risk management committee.
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\nDear Andy,<\/strong><\/p>\n

Where does an adult volunteer, or a Scout, wear their \u201csquare knot\u201d for the God and Family religious emblem? Also, does God and Family have to be re-earned yearly, or can it be transferred from one\u2019s Webelos to Boy Scout uniform? Thanks! (Don Cole)<\/strong><\/p>\n

Upon earning the God and Family religious emblem, the purple-and-silver “square knot” is worn on the Cub Scout\/Webelos Scout uniform shirt, above the left pocket. When he becomes a Boy Scout, the two recognitions that carry forward from Cub Scouting are the Arrow of Light rank (his handbook shows the location) and the religious square knot. If a uniformed adult volunteer has earned a religious emblem while a youth member of Scouting, he wears the same purple-and-silver square knot on his uniform shirt. Once earned, it stays earned.<\/p>\n

Happy Scouting!<\/strong><\/p>\n

Andy<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

Have a question? Facing a dilemma? Wondering where to find a BSA policy or guideline? Write to askandybsa@yahoo.com. Please include your name and council. (If you\u2019d prefer to be anonymous, if published, let me know and that\u2019s what we\u2019ll do.)<\/strong><\/p>\n

[No. 422 \u2013 11\/18\/2014 \u2013 Copyright \u00a9 Andy McCommish 2014]<\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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