{"id":1934,"date":"2015-12-22T13:05:31","date_gmt":"2015-12-22T18:05:31","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/netcommissioner.com\/askandy\/?p=1934"},"modified":"2015-12-22T13:05:31","modified_gmt":"2015-12-22T18:05:31","slug":"issue-466-december-22-2015","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/netcommissioner.com\/askandy\/2015\/12\/issue-466-december-22-2015\/","title":{"rendered":"Issue 466 \u2013 December 22, 2015"},"content":{"rendered":"

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\nMary Tomchuk, of the Patriots\u2019 Path Council in New Jersey, educator; Eagle Scout Mom; Silver Beaver and Silver Antelope, St. George and Bronze Pelican recipient; Scouter extraordinaire, has too soon Gone Home. She touched, it\u2019s safe to say, thousands of lives including my own. She\u2019ll long be missed by so many.<\/strong><\/p>\n

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\nHi Andy,<\/strong><\/p>\n

In your column December 12th, you were asked about using Scout handbooks and part of your response was that it\u2019s \u201csilly\u201d for Scouts to bring in their handbooks to boards of review for requirement completion verification. I agree with you. What I like to see in a handbook is what activities the Scout has done since his last review. Sometimes the Scouts get a little nervous and with some gentle questions and with his handbook for \u201csupport,\u201d we can help him open up and discuss the things he\u2019s done. Like most things in Scouting, the handbook is but one of the many tools we use. (Allen Frierson, Indian Waters Council)<\/strong><\/p>\n

When the handbook is used as a “prompter” for questions along the line of “what was the best trip you’ve gone on, so far?” that’s great! Just so it’s not put under a microscope by the board members, who then “challenge” the dates and initials! Sure sounds like to see the bigger picture here.
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\nDear Andy,<\/strong><\/p>\n

About six months ago our Committee Chair stepped down from her role as CC and requested consideration as an Assistant Scoutmaster, which we agreed to and duly registered her as an ASM. However, while serving as CC she also held the committee role of \u201chealth and safety trainer,\u201d a position she continues to handle, thereby continuing to attend and influence troop committee meetings, even though we have more than enough active parents who\u2019d be willing to take on this training position on the committee. In short, she\u2019s continuing to wear \u201ctwo hats\u201d in the troop, and I\u2019m wondering not only whether it\u2019s okay to hold two positions in the same troop but is this a \u201chealthy\u201d situation?<\/strong><\/p>\n

As I understand it, you can\u2019t really do this; that is, be an ASM and an MC at the same time, in the same unit. I\u2019d like to bring this to the attention of our current Committee Chair, but he seems to be a bit of a stickler on having documentation on BSA policies. Any clarification or references you can provide would be great! I\u2019ve read many things in regards to ASM roles, including that they\u2019re not formal members of the committee, but it would be helpful to know if there\u2019s a specific BSA policy on this. (Scoutmaster, Council Withheld)<\/strong><\/p>\n

You\u2019re absolutely correct: Neither the Scoutmaster nor any ASM is concurrently a member of the troop’s committee. Moreover, no one in a troop is permitted to hold a second registered position in that troop, with the sole exception of the Committee Chair (CC), who is permitted to also register as Chartered Organization Representative (CR).<\/p>\n

Important: This is absolutely not my “opinion,” and isn’t subject to discussion or debate.<\/p>\n

The easiest references for this (do a quick Internet search for these) are the “Troop Organization Chart” and the “BSA Adult Application.” The TOC clearly shows that there\u2019s a marked separation between the troop committee and the troop itself, and the application (refer to page 2) states that no one can hold two positions in the same unit (exception as noted above).<\/p>\n

ASMs report to the Scoutmaster. The Scoutmaster ultimately reports to the CC. The Scoutmaster is responsible for the quality of the Scouting program, as delivered to the troop (the “troop” is the Scouts themselves); the committee and its chair (CC) are responsible for supporting the Scoutmaster and the troop\u2014the committee doesn’t “dictate policy” because the BSA has already done that.<\/p>\n

So if your newest ASM wants to stay in that position, you might want to make sure the first thing she does is take position-specific training, so that she can be an asset to you. If, on the other hand, she\u2019d like to continue handling health and safety training, there\u2019s no reason she can\u2019t simply continue as a committee member, in which case she just changes her registration to MC.
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\nHi Andy,<\/strong><\/p>\n

I’m a Den Leader in a small pack that\u2019s been fairly loose with some stuff for a while. So here\u2019s one of the things I\u2019m trying to straighten out: Are Cub Scouts who aren\u2019t in proper uniform supposed to participate in flag presentations? (Mike Paluszk)<\/strong><\/p>\n

The BSA is pretty emphatic that it’s not the uniform that makes the Scout, and no uniform is in any way mandatory. Uniforms are, however, aspirational, team-building, and create a sense of identity and “belonging.” Correct uniforming can be encouraged by letting the Cubs know that carrying the pack and American flags are an honor, and, to do so, one is indeed expected to respect both by wearing their full and correct uniforms when acting as a member of the “flag detail” for opening and closing ceremonies.<\/p>\n

Baden-Powell put it this way over a hundred years ago (and it’s still valid today): A boy can be a Scout without a uniform, but what boy with Scouting in his heart wouldn’t want to wear his uniform?<\/em>
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\nDear Andy,<\/strong><\/p>\n

We have a 14 year-old Scout\u2014rank: First Class\u2014who\u2019s been getting into fights on our campouts. He\u2019s punching Scouts in the face and kicking them in the shins with steel-toed boots. Most recently, he used a knife to threaten a Scout\u2014and there were direct-observation witnesses to this, so the act can\u2019t be skirted or \u201cspun\u201d as anything other than a knife-cutting threat.<\/strong><\/p>\n

In addition to these peer-to-peer abuses in our troop, this young man has, apparently, also instigated encounters and actual fist fights at school as well.<\/strong><\/p>\n

We adult volunteers discussed this problem at length and decided that I, as Scoutmaster, plus our Committee Chair, will meet personally with this Scout and his mother (no father in the picture) to discuss the situation, and to suspend his participation in overnight troop events for two months but permit him to continue participating in our troop\u2019s weekly meetings.<\/strong><\/p>\n

What are your thoughts on this? Is there a better way to handle this situation? Thanks! (SM, Council Withheld)<\/strong><\/p>\n

There’s a fundamental BSA procedure\u2014you’ll find it in the SCOUTMASTER HANDBOOK\u2014that states a Scout can indeed be removed from a troop (temporarily or permanently, based on the severity of his actions or threats) if his behavior causes or threatens to cause physical harm to himself or others.<\/p>\n

If a striking has occurred, it seems to me that a “zero tolerance” stance by the Scoutmaster and Committee Chair is mandated. In this case, it would seem this Scout has already used up any possible “second chances” and must definitely be separated from the troop (meaning: the Scouts) until he is able to control his behavior. This would absolutely include troop meetings as well, because you have no “crystal ball” and so cannot predict whether, having been excluded from hurting others on camp-outs, he won’t resort to physically injuring his peers at troop meetings.<\/p>\n

Keep this in mind: You’re volunteers, not professionals, and this boy appears to need serious professional help before he can be included in troop activities at some point in the future.<\/p>\n

You won\u2019t be \u201cdoing this Scout a disservice;” you will absolutely be protecting the other Scouts of the troop from further injury\u2014and that’s your job!<\/p>\n

Thank you so much for your response, Andy. We\u2019re on the same page here. Tomorrow night, our CC and I have a meeting scheduled with the Scout and his mother. We\u2019re going to lay out what we\u2019ve observed and describe the consequence of his behavior, which will be that he\u2019ll be removed from all troop activities for two months. (SM)
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One small but, I believe, important point: The idea of a two-month moratorium on camp-outs might be interpreted as more a punishment than a consequence. Perhaps an alternative approach to a time-line\u2014such as he can return to the troop as soon as he can keep him emotions and behavior in check, and no more steel-toed boots\u2014might work better for all concerned.<\/p>\n

Based on what you’ve described, this young man’s anger runs deep. Privately, with his mother, you might gently inquire if this is in any way related to the absence of his father. No, you don’t want to play “guard-house shrink”…but you\u2019re looking for insights, and Mom may be able to shed some light on this.<\/p>\n

Finally, since you also mentioned that he may be going with a crew to Sea Base soon… Frankly, the close quarters aboard a ship doesn’t bode well to me. I think I’d reserve judgment on his participating till you see how he performs on dry land, because a dust-up at sea can be life-threatening\u2014and that’s the last thing you want or need!<\/p>\n

Happy Scouting!<\/strong><\/p>\n

Andy<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

Have a question? Facing a dilemma? Wondering where to find a BSA policy or guideline? Write to askandybsa@yahoo.com. Please include your name and council. (If you\u2019d prefer to be anonymous, if published, let me know and that\u2019s what we\u2019ll do.)<\/strong><\/p>\n

[No. 466 \u2013 12\/22\/2015 \u2013 Copyright \u00a9 Andy McCommish 2015]<\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

________________________________________ Mary Tomchuk, of the Patriots\u2019 Path Council in New Jersey, educator; Eagle Scout Mom; Silver Beaver and Silver Antelope, St. George and Bronze Pelican recipient; Scouter extraordinaire, has too soon Gone Home. She touched, it\u2019s safe to say, thousands of lives including my own. She\u2019ll long be missed by so many. ======================================= Hi Andy, […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[23],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1934","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-23"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/netcommissioner.com\/askandy\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1934","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/netcommissioner.com\/askandy\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/netcommissioner.com\/askandy\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/netcommissioner.com\/askandy\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/3"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/netcommissioner.com\/askandy\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1934"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"http:\/\/netcommissioner.com\/askandy\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1934\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1938,"href":"http:\/\/netcommissioner.com\/askandy\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1934\/revisions\/1938"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/netcommissioner.com\/askandy\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1934"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/netcommissioner.com\/askandy\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1934"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/netcommissioner.com\/askandy\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1934"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}