{"id":2163,"date":"2017-04-04T16:10:11","date_gmt":"2017-04-04T20:10:11","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/netcommissioner.com\/askandy\/?p=2163"},"modified":"2017-04-04T16:10:11","modified_gmt":"2017-04-04T20:10:11","slug":"issue-525-april-4-2017","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/netcommissioner.com\/askandy\/2017\/04\/issue-525-april-4-2017\/","title":{"rendered":"Issue 525 \u2013 April 4, 2017"},"content":{"rendered":"

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\nHi Andy,<\/strong><\/p>\n

Long time ago, as an Assistant Scoutmaster then, I \u201ctaught\u201d the Scout handshake to one of the troops I now serve as commissioner. Happily, they not only adopted it back then, but even today they execute it correctly, both youth and adult: When I visit the troop today, even the new Scouts and adult leaders who weren\u2019t around \u201cback then\u201d extend their left hands. Awesome!<\/strong><\/p>\n

But I\u2019ve also noticed that this is fairly uncommon in other Scouting venues, where the non-Scout handshake predominates, including our Chief Scout Executive on stage at the most recent Jamboree (!) and most staff and volunteers in my home council. And then we have the \u201cI\u2019m not in uniform, so can\u2019t do\/won\u2019t use the Scout Handshake,\u201d for which I\u2019ve never quite understood the logic.<\/strong><\/p>\n

My own philosophy is that when it\u2019s Scout-to-Scout, Scouter-to-Scouter, or Scout-to-Scouter (or vice-versa), we always use the Scout handshake, regardless of where we are, what we\u2019re wearing, or the formality\/informality of the circumstance.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Then there\u2019s the issue with \u201cfingers\u201d\u2026 The 13th Edition of the Scout Handbook clearly states that the handshake is: \u201cExtend your left hand to another Scout and firmly grasp his left hand.\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n

I know there are OA handshakes and historic BSA handshakes involving interlocking fingers. But for general Scouting greetings, are the interlocking fingers just a blast from the past, and today\u2019s correct handshake is left-handed with no interlocking fingers, hip bumps, wiggle-waggles, elbow bumps, or fist bumps (even if they\u2019re left-handed). Do I have this right? (Mitch Erickson, UC, Patriots\u2019 Path Council, NJ)<\/strong><\/p>\n

Baden-Powell\u2019s original SCOUTING FOR BOYS, published in the late 19th Century, described and illustrated a left-hand \u201cScout handshake\u201d (with no interlaced fingers). But the First Edition of the BSA\u2019s HANDBOOK FOR BOYS (page 33), notes that the Scout handclasp incorporates not only use of the left hand but also the interlocking of little fingers as well as thumbs.<\/p>\n

This American-style Scout handclasp remained in place for the BSA\u2019s first 62 years; the interlocking little fingers of the left hand went away in 1972, with the publishing of the Eighth Edition of the SCOUT HANDBOOK (page 61 specifically states that the little finger is not separated when executing the Scout handclasp).<\/p>\n

This change occurred 45 years ago, which means that lingering notions about that little left-hand finger should have gone away for anyone now living, up to age 56. Anyone older than 56 may remember the \u201cold\u201d way, but should also understand that it went away nearly a half-century ago!<\/p>\n

Why was the change made? My guess is that our American Scouts (and Scouters) looked and felt a bit awkward at World Scout Jamborees, when every other Scout and Scouter on the planet has been using the left-hand\/no pinkie handclasp from “Day One.”<\/p>\n

This makes good sense. And whether one is in uniform or not is\u2014in a word\u2014silly. If you’re a Scout or Scouter, you greet a fellow Scout or Scouter with the Scout handclasp\u2014anywhere in the world.<\/p>\n

Case in point… Some years ago, while on vacation in France (and in “civvies” as you might suspect), I noticed a British Scout group on tour (in uniform, of course). I walked over to them, smiled, and, without a word, extended my left hand. The response was instantaneous. Every single one of them\u2014Scout and Scouter alike\u2014wanted to shake hands with the “Yank” Scouter! In short, that simple extending of my left hand said it all, and these blokes were instantly my friends!<\/p>\n

Nuff sed?
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\nHi Andy,<\/strong><\/p>\n

I wound up chair of our troop\u2019s committee about five months ago. Since then, there\u2019s been nothing but head-butting with not only our Scoutmaster but with a \u201cselect\u201d group of parents, too.<\/strong><\/p>\n

The Scoutmaster and I have no working relationship. He and his assistants mostly refuse to respond to my emails or messages, and, when they do, it\u2019s invariable in a condescending or sarcastic tone. Because we had a sort of \u201cwomen\u2019s auxiliary\u201d in the past, he, among others, still view what is now a mixed-gender committee as a group of women to be tolerated at best so they can get money for trips and such.<\/strong><\/p>\n

To help deal with this, I requested and was assigned a Unit Commissioner and, on his advice, I\u2019ve restructured the committee in line with the recommendation in the TROOP COMMITTEE GUIDEBOOK.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Despite this, we still have ongoing issues with a group of five parents who attend our committee meetings, demanding to hold troop-wide fund-raisers but only for the benefit of their own sons, who want to go to a high adventure camp this coming summer and want the troop to pay for this. I did due diligence and after researching this issue, I informed these particular parents that it\u2019s against BSA guidelines to fund-raise for just a few Scouts and not the troop as a whole. Their response was immediate and\u2014no other words can describe it\u2014both rude and manipulative, including this from them: \u201cIt doesn\u2019t matter that we\u2019re not following guidelines because we won\u2019t get caught!\u201d They then proceeded to write up a \u201cUnit Fundraising Application\u201d and, without telling anyone, brought it to the council service center for sign-off (even though, as CC, I hadn\u2019t signed it, and neither had our sponsor\u2019s representative). Bringing that council-signed application to a recent committee meeting, they demanded we vote on it\u2014and then they, themselves, voted as well!<\/strong><\/p>\n

Although (remember, I\u2019m still on a \u201clearning curve\u201d here) I later learned that these parents had no right to vote (thereby skewing the vote in their favor), and I\u2019ve since reached out to our Scout Executive for help, no help has been forthcoming.<\/strong><\/p>\n

I know that you\u2019ve urged unit committees like ours to not \u201cvote\u201d at all, but reach an overall accord instead, so I stuck my neck out and have told these five parents that no such \u201cvote\u201d is going to \u201ccount\u201d here. But they\u2019re not letting it go, and want to bring it up as often as it takes to get their way.<\/strong><\/p>\n

So I really need to know for sure: Is this type of fund-raising allowable, and how do I respond to these parents, who still feel they\u2019re entitled to vote to get what they want?<\/strong><\/p>\n

To make matters even more complicated, my husband\u2014a registered Assistant Scoutmaster\u2014while in a meeting with a member of our sponsor\u2019s congregation, our Chartered Organization Representative, our Scoutmaster, and our assigned Unit Commissioner, and another member of our council, that he was \u201cno longer welcome\u201d as an ASM for the troop. I was not informed in advance that this meeting was going to be held, and my husband was not advised beforehand of its agenda. If effect, both he and I were completely blindsided.<\/strong><\/p>\n

We suspect the reason from my husband\u2019s removal from the troop roster may be connected with a recent troop campout, at which the Scoutmaster had brought a bunch beer along (I later learned that this was definitely not the first time he\u2019d done this) in which all adults except my husband partook.<\/strong><\/p>\n

I\u2019ve also learned from a completely reliable source that, on another occasion, the Scoutmaster had made several public and highly sexist, derogatory remarks about the \u201canatomy\u201d of our chartered organization\u2019s female Pastor.<\/strong><\/p>\n

I\u2019ve reached out to our Unit Commissioner on all of these issues, but he\u2019s not responded despite multiple attempts on my part. I really need some guidance as to how to proceed with this mess! (Name & Council Withheld)<\/strong><\/p>\n

You\u2019ve got a hairball of intertwined issues here! Let\u2019s see if I can focus on some key issues for you…<\/p>\n

To deal with that reluctant Scoutmaster, hold formal troop committee meetings once a month and let him know that you’re expecting a 10-minute report from him at each meeting that summarizes the troop’s activities (troop meetings, hikes and campouts, and Scout advancement opportunities provided) for the past month and plans for the coming month. If he resists this, it’s definitely time to consider replacing him (refer to page 2 of the BSA Adult Volunteer Application for a description of who has the authority to do what). Consider a heart-to-heart with the sponsoring church\u2019s Pastor (skip the CR), since you revealed that there may be some further issues that demand his immediate dismissal.<\/p>\n

While parents are welcome to observe committee meetings, they must be told that, unless they’re registered committee members (which you control, by the way) they have no voice at these meetings and are to remain silent. (If they have issues that they’d like to discuss, they can do this with you, the CC, outside committee meetings and you can offer\u2014if you choose\u2014to bring their concerns or requests to the committee at the next meeting.) You may need to calmly but succinctly point out to them that, obviously, no non-registered parent has any sort of a “vote” at committee meetings.<\/p>\n

Regarding unit fundraising, the BSA has already established fiscal policies that prohibit raising money for only select Scouts; fundraising must be for the entire troop, not just a select few. For any parent that has a problem with this, suggest that they take up this issue with the council or the BSA itself; until the BSA changes this policy, the troop’s fundraisers will conform to written policy. Further, send out your own email to all Scout parents advising them of the BSA policy and telling them that this troop will conform to national fiscal standards, period!<\/p>\n

As for money needed by a few Scouts for a special trip: The BSA’s first standard for something like this is that these Scouts should get off their duffs and go out and earn the money they need…not by doing a fundraiser but by actually working for pay.<\/p>\n

When it comes to troop money used for summer camp, this is okay so long as it includes all Scouts in the troop, without exception. But, just to be clear, it does NOT include adults.<\/p>\n

Your Unit Commissioner can direct you to specific BSA resources on fundraising and other fiscal policies.<\/p>\n

No one can “push through a vote” unless the Committee Chair permits this to happen. Here’s where you need a solid and straight backbone. Remember this: You’re not there to “make new friends” or “try to get everyone to like you”\u2014you’re there to follow the policies and guidelines of the Boy Scouts of America, and that’s that!<\/p>\n

You mention that, at a meeting that didn’t include you, as the CC, your husband “was told” that his service as an Assistant Scoutmaster is no longer needed…but you didn’t say who told him (and I can’t guess), so I can’t really address this one for you, except to point out that the ONLY person other than the CC who can decide on adult volunteers is the CR (Chartered Organization Representative) or the head of the chartered organization.<\/p>\n

Looping back to the top here, and perhaps bringing some closure to this whole brouhaha, any Scoutmaster (or any other adult volunteer with the troop, for that matter) who publicly ogles and comments on any female’s “anatomy” is subject to immediate dismissal from the troop. Further, the presence of or consumption of any alcoholic beverage, in any quantity, in the presence of youth members, WHEN DULY REPORTED (go to www.scouting.org\/scoutsource\/HealthandSafety\/incident_report.aspx for BSA Incident Reporting) calls for immediate dismissal of all involved. This alone will eliminate all future difficulties not only with that Scoutmaster but also with any other adults involved, whether registered or not. (Yup, I’m saying ALL adults who were a part of the beer-at-a-campout incident are history!) Work with your Unit Commissioner, and get the Pastor and CR (in that order) involved, to make this happen.<\/p>\n

Happy Scouting!<\/strong><\/p>\n

Andy<\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Have a question? Facing a dilemma? Wondering where to find a BSA policy or guideline? Write to askandybsa@yahoo.com. Please include your name and council. (If you\u2019d prefer to be anonymous, if published, let me know and that\u2019s what we\u2019ll do.)<\/strong><\/p>\n

[No. 525 \u2013 4\/4\/2017 \u2013 Copyright \u00a9 Andy McCommish 2017]<\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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