{"id":2251,"date":"2017-10-24T16:55:08","date_gmt":"2017-10-24T20:55:08","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/netcommissioner.com\/askandy\/?p=2251"},"modified":"2017-10-25T10:36:13","modified_gmt":"2017-10-25T14:36:13","slug":"issue-546-october-24-2017","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/netcommissioner.com\/askandy\/2017\/10\/issue-546-october-24-2017\/","title":{"rendered":"Issue 547 \u2013 October 24, 2017"},"content":{"rendered":"

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\nDear Andy,<\/strong><\/p>\n

I\u2019m proud to say our son Joey is officially an Eagle Scout. He had his board of review successfully in July, and his Eagle court of honor was last night. Even his new Scoutmaster said, \u201cThis kid is a rock star!\u201d His total his community service hours totaled a shocking 387, and his Eagle service project separately totaled 218 additional hours. Academically, Joey\u2019s in the top 0.5% nationally, with a 35 ACT and 1580 SAT and 30 college-level credit hours. He\u2019s in the National Honor Society, the Principal\u2019s \u201cAll A’s\u201d Honor Roll 3 years running, and he\u2019s academically lettered. He\u2019s already been accepted at Colorado School of Mines, Preston, Case Western, and MIT\u2014all with \u201cfull ride\u201d scholarships. His life goal is to design cybernetics for amputees and build \u201cExosuits\u201d for our military personnel.<\/strong><\/p>\n

I\u2019m telling you all this so you know your help went towards a great kid. Thank you so much. Your advice and calm approach helped me immensely. Thank you again. You\u2019re awesome! (Joseph)<\/strong><\/p>\n

This message arrived just two days ago. Great result, but the tale of how this happened\u2014how Joey got here\u2014is why I\u2019ve kept at this column for over 16 years, and counting. For the \u201cback-story\u201d read on\u2026<\/em><\/p>\n

Early May, this year\u2026<\/em><\/p>\n

Dear Andy,<\/strong><\/p>\n

My son Joey completed all his requirements for Life Scout this past December 5th\u2014five months ago. But his Scoutmaster (I\u2019ll call him \u201cJohn\u201d) wasn\u2019t available starting last June until this past March, so Joey\u2019s Scoutmaster conference happened more than three full months after he was completely prepared for it. In the months in between December and March, the troop\u2019s Assistant Scoutmaster refused to conference with Joey because he didn\u2019t think ASMs were allowed to do this, and then the troop\u2019s advancement chair wouldn\u2019t schedule a board of review because the conference hadn\u2019t been done.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Joey sent emails to his leaders regularly from December 2016 to March, but he received no replies. He also planned to talk with them at regular troop meetings, but they weren\u2019t showing up. He also sent the emails to his Scoutmaster to keep him up to speed; again with no responses. Problem is, Joey turns 18 July, and now that\u2019s just two months away.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Joey wouldn\u2019t have had any timing problem, as he does now, if the conference and review had been done in December or even early January. Now, thanks to his Scoutmaster, his Assistant Scoutmaster, and the advancement chair, he won\u2019t have his necessary six months at Life rank. To complicate this even more, in January these adult leaders told Joey to start his Eagle service project and get your letters of recommendation, too, assuring him that they\u2019d simply \u201cback-date\u201d his Life review. They originally said they were \u201callowed\u201d (their word) to do this \u201cbecause we know the Scoutmaster was never there for several months.\u201d But now they\u2019re saying nope\u2014no back-dating or anything else.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Joey has already appealed to these men, but nothing\u2019s changed and there\u2019s just no way he can ever be an Eagle Scout unless somebody can help get this right. As his father, what can I do, Andy? I don\u2019t know who I can turn to around here. Can you help or guide me? (Joseph)<\/strong><\/p>\n

I’ve just read your letter and the first thing I\u2019ll do is some research. I promise to get back to you today. Meanwhile, have you are anyone else spoken to your district or council advancement committee chair about this mess? If not, reach out immediately\u2014by phone is best\u2014and tell ’em what you’ve just told me.<\/p>\n

Thanks, Andy. I did call our council service center and someone\u2019s supposed to be calling me back. In the meanwhile, I did find this: \u201cUnit leaders do not have the authority to deny a Scout a conference that is necessary for him to meet the requirements for his rank. If a unit leader conference is denied, a Scout\u2014if he believes he has fulfilled all the remaining requirements\u2014may still request a board of review. See \u2018Boards of Review Must Be Granted When Requirements Are Met,\u2019 Topic 8.0.0.2.\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n

My son also completed his Eagle service project (even though he was a Life Scout at the time\u2014per his leaders\u2019 guidance), including the beneficiary\u2019s signature of approval. He also sent out his requests for letters of recommendation, even though I\u2019ve just read that this is absolutely not something the Scout himself should be doing. The troop\u2019s adults are also now trying to tell Joey that he didn\u2019t meet \u201cactive with his troop\u201d standards, even though no \u201cstandards\u201d were ever communicated to any Scout in the troop! Besides which, Joey\u2019s been on every campout except one (he had acolyte responsibilities that weekend) and all troop meetings except one (it was a special parent-and-student night at his high school, and every older Scout in the troop was there!). As Han Solo said, \u201cI\u2019m getting a bad feeling about this.\u201d (Joseph)<\/strong><\/p>\n

When misinformation is given by a BSA adult volunteer (or professional staffer\u2014which hasn\u2019t happened in this case) to a Scout\u2014including mistakes and omissions\u2014there\u2019s a pathway for a time extension beyond the Scout’s 18th birthday. To accomplish this, it\u2019s most important for you\u2014as his father\u2014to become his advocate (your son has enough to deal with already!).<\/p>\n

First, you need a copy of the BSA’s 2017 Edition of the GUIDE TO ADVANCEMENT. You\u2019ll find a PDF version of it here: www.scouting.org\/filestore\/ pdf\/33088.pdf<\/p>\n

Save it.<\/p>\n

Now go to Topic 9.0.4.0: Time Extensions. There, through the first and subsequent topic numbers, you’ll acquaint yourself with what constitutes filing a request for an extension (see form 11.2.0.0 Request for Extension of Time to Earn Eagle Scout Rank). You’ll note that there’s a significant amount of corroboration needed\u2014not simply your own personal version of everything that went wrong.<\/p>\n

After you’ve read through what I’ve described, you need a strong ally. I recommend your district advancement chair. Show him or her our correspondence and get agreement to join forces with you in obtaining the needed documentation, and in going forward “up the chain.”<\/p>\n

Don’t discuss this with Joey, except perhaps to let him know you’re working on it. Don’t discuss this with your wife in a situation in which your son might overhear, and ask your wife’s agreement to also remain silent except for out-of-earshot conversations between you two. (Again, Joey has enough to deal with right now and since we know that Scouting has no “exclusive” on jerks, you don’t want to alienate your son from “Scouting-at-large” since Scouting itself isn’t the culprit here.)<\/p>\n

Thanks, Andy. I\u2019ve talked with our District Advancement Chair and he fully supports us (it turns out he has a \u201chistory\u201d with this troop\u2019s leaders). We\u2019re going to file the appeal, and our new ally recommended that Joey himself\u2014with our support\u2014write the appeal letter. Any suggestions you might have about what he should put in his letter would be appreciated. Thanks again. (Joseph)<\/strong><\/p>\n

One further thought, Joseph, and this one’s tricky… Your son, as you\u2019ve pointed out, is a pretty sharp teenager, and of course he’s 17 years old. If someone were to ask him the following questions, how would he address them…?<\/p>\n

– \u201cYou know when your 18th birthday is, of course, and in December you also knew that you had to have 6 months’ tenure in rank as a Life Scout. So, when this mess dragged on and at some point in January you knew that that 6-month threshold was looming, what kept you, yourself, from demanding a conference and review?\u201d<\/p>\n

– \u201cIf you did make the above demand, and it was denied, what did you do next? (If you chose to abide by the notion that back-dating important dates like a conference and review, how did you square this, in your mind, against the values of honesty central to the ethics of Scouting and your church’s teachings?)\u201d<\/p>\n

Just make sure Joey can address these honestly and without hesitation.<\/p>\n

Joey, although terribly bright, struggles with ADHD and is on a \u201c504\u201d program at school. One of his manifestations is that he takes things literally\u2014he thinks in \u201cblack and white\u201d and had no idea that what those adults told him wasn\u2019t true. He did what he was told to do, perhaps naively, but with a belief that they were telling him nothing but the truth. Another aspect of his form of ADHD is that he doesn\u2019t perceive time like others (e.g., He must set alarms on his phone to remind him to ask questions of his teachers or even turn in his homework and when to go to bed. He even forgets to eat.)<\/strong><\/p>\n

Thanks for bringing up those questions. Joey will address them in his letter. You\u2019ve been a great help. I should add that we\u2019ve found a very smart and nice guy with our council who\u2019s putting a committee together to review Joey\u2019s request for the extension. (Joseph)<\/strong><\/p>\n

Even after having worked\u2014as a Scoutmaster and also as a merit badge counselor\u2014with Scouts dealing with ADHD, Dyslexia, and Asperger Syndrome\u2014I’ll be the very first to admit that I can’t even begin to comprehend fully the challenges these young men face every day.<\/p>\n

I believe it will help your son if you were to write a separate letter on his behalf, describing his challenge and including your admiration for what he’s accomplished\u2014including reaching Life rank\u2014despite this, just as you’ve done here but perhaps more extensively. You needn’t show this email to your son, but definitely include it in the packet of documents, because it’s important to reveal why he would take the word of an adult and why it would not have occurred to him that a timing “battle” was about to ensue.<\/p>\n

And, in case you haven’t figured it out, I have enormous respect for what you’re willing to do here. You’ve had the option of telling him, “Well, that’s just the way it is.” Instead, you’ve decided to champion him. Hat’s off to you, Dad!<\/p>\n

Now a new problem, Andy\u2026 Can a Scoutmaster refuse to sign off on a completed Eagle service project that the beneficiary has signed off on? There\u2019s a new Scoutmaster now who\u2019s not sure what he\u2019s supposed to do for a project that was completed before his term as Scoutmaster began (Joseph)<\/strong><\/p>\n

There’s no reason for a Scoutmaster to not add his signature to an Eagle project completion document if it’s already been signed by the project’s beneficiary. Only the beneficiary\u2014by signing\u2014can affirm that the project was completed as agreed upon with the Scout. The Scoutmaster’s signature is, in effect, perfunctory and need not be withheld for any reason.<\/p>\n

If the Scoutmaster, upon reading what I’ve just stated (which is not my “opinion,” by the way\u2014it’s a BSA procedural policy), continues to refuse (or drag his heels for no reason, which is almost worse than actually refusing), then take this to your troop\u2019s Committee Chair AND Advancement Coordinator AND Eagle Project Coach. If they can’t properly educate this new Scoutmaster, then go directly and immediately to the council Scouter ally you\u2019ve found.<\/p>\n

Our district and council, and now the BSA National Headquarters as well, have all confirmed that none of the earlier stuff was Joey\u2019s fault at all and they approved him for his extension. He has everything finished and is ready for his Eagle board of review. (Of course, our new Scoutmaster is again \u201cnot sure\u201d what he\u2019s supposed to do with Joey\u2019s Eagle application and other paperwork, so our district-level people are going to \u201ceducate\u201d him right away.) Thank you again for all your help!<\/strong>
\n God Bless You! (Joseph)<\/strong><\/p>\n

To Joey: Congratulations, young Sir. YOU are the FUTURE OF AMERICA! Your commitment to excellence in all your endeavors is an example to all who know you, and you bring great joy to your entire family. As you continue on your wonderful journey, you’ll be meeting all sorts of people. Some will be not so wonderful; others will be absolutely wonderful, and it’s these latter people who are in the vast majority–thank goodness! There will be moments in your life when you’ll be confronted with difficult decisions of an ethical or moral nature. When this happens, just ask yourself, “What would an Eagle Scout do?” and the answer will quickly come to you because YOU ARE an EAGLE SCOUT!<\/p>\n

There are three really cool things about being an Eagle…<\/p>\n

– You bring joy to your family.<\/p>\n

– You bring honor to yourself.<\/p>\n

– You will absolutely delight the parents of your date!<\/p>\n

Very best wishes for continuing success in life, and\u2026<\/p>\n

Happy Scouting!<\/strong><\/p>\n

Andy<\/strong><\/span><\/em>
\n Eagle Scout – Class of 1957<\/strong><\/em><\/span>
\n National Distinguished Eagle Scout – Class of 2017<\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Have a question? Facing a dilemma? Wondering where to find a BSA policy or guideline? Just to me at: askandybsa@yahoo.com. Please include your name and council. (If you\u2019d prefer to be anonymous, if published, let me know and that\u2019s what we\u2019ll do.)<\/strong><\/p>\n

[No. 547 \u2013 10\/24\/2017 \u2013 Copyright \u00a9 Andy McCommish 2017]<\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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