{"id":248,"date":"2006-01-15T20:34:33","date_gmt":"2006-01-16T01:34:33","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/netcommissioner.com\/askandy\/?p=248"},"modified":"2011-11-06T20:36:01","modified_gmt":"2011-11-07T01:36:01","slug":"issue-68-mid-january-2006","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/netcommissioner.com\/askandy\/2006\/01\/issue-68-mid-january-2006\/","title":{"rendered":"Issue 68 &#8211; Mid-January 2006"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">How\u2019s this for a \u201csuccess story\u201d\u2026<\/span><\/p>\n<div>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: normal;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><strong><em><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">Hi Andy, <\/span><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong><em><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">I\u2019ve been reading your column avidly while looking for a unit Commissioner opportunity. Great column! I&#8217;m an Eagle Scout with grown children and am looking for a volunteer Scouter opportunity in NH. In order to find the right fit I decided to attend several district meetings (Roundtables, Commissioners meetings and District Committee meetings) to talk to different parents and Scouters in the area. (Payson Adams, Daniel Webster Council [soon], NH)<\/span><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">Hi Payson,<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">Thanks for finding me\u2014and thanks for writing! I&#8217;m delighted to learn of your interest in being a Scouting volunteer\u2014We need good people like you, especially somebody who &#8220;does his homework&#8221; before jumping in the water! Best wishes for a rewarding experience and good fellowship! (Andy)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong><em><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">Dear Andy, <\/span><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong><em><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">If you can contact Payson Adams, who asked you about becoming a Commissioner in Daniel Webster Council, NH, we&#8217;d be glad to have him, if he&#8217;s in the south-east part of the state. (Dave Loomis, ADC, Daniel Webster Council, NH)<\/span><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">Hi Dave, <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">I&#8217;m Ccing Payson right here. This way, the two of you can get in direct contact with one another! (Andy)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Verdana;\"><strong><em><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">Hi Andy,<\/span><\/em><\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong><em><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">I&#8217;m following up our original email. I\u2019ve been registered by the Daniel Webster Council as a Commissioner and have been given a Pack, a Troop and a Crew to provide unit service to. I plan to continue to read your columns. Thanks! (Payson Adams, Unit Commissioner, Daniel Webster Council, NH)<\/span><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">Now, let\u2019s take a look at some new questions\u2026<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong><em><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">Hi Andy,<\/span><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong><em><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">In researching options for the movie for Citizenship in the Community merit badge, I came across your site. I&#8217;m going to be sure to pass the link along to some of my other Scouter friends! Anyway, you asked for other recommendations. When I first read the requirement a year ago &#8220;Pay It Forward&#8221; immediately leapt into my mind, and &#8220;A Civil Action&#8221; did later on. Here are some other movies I&#8217;d consider appropriate: &#8220;October Sky,&#8221; &#8220;Boycott,&#8221; &#8220;Remember the Titans,&#8221; &#8220;Dead Poet&#8217;s Society&#8221; (maybe too grim in some ways), and &#8220;Follow Me, Boys&#8221; (but maybe too old-fashioned for some boys). (Jim Robinson, SM, Troop 6, Cranston, RI, Narragansett Council)<\/span><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">Great suggestions! I hope you&#8217;ll become a regular reader.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong><em><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">Dear Andy,<\/span><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong><em><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">I\u2019ve been surfing the net for some time now and I can\u2019t find any plans for a Raingutter regatta that I can download. I hope you can help me. (Vinny O&#8217;Neill, District Chair, New Horizon District, Bronx Council, NY)<\/span><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">I&#8217;m guessing you&#8217;re talking about the tracks; not the boats. If that&#8217;s the case, here&#8217;s the good news\u2014the raingutters are just that: raingutters. Ten feet long, and capped on both ends. If they&#8217;re plastic, they may go &#8220;sway-back&#8221; on you, so you&#8217;ll need to set them on tables, or lots of saw-horses. If they&#8217;re rigid, and stay horizontal even when filled with a couple inches of water, then a saw-horse at each end will do just fine! Yes, it\u2019s pretty much that simple!<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong><em><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">Dear Andy,<\/span><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong><em><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">I\u2019m Skipper of a Sea Scout Ship, and I have an adult volunteer who is registered with a Boy Scout Troop in an adjoining council. Is this volunteer required to again pay the $10.00 fee at re-chartering time for the Ship to our council, or can he be considered a multiple registrant with the Ship and the Troop in the other council? (Allen Shields, Tecumseh Council, OH)<\/span><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">Usually, when one holds more than one position within the same council, &#8220;double registration&#8221; kicks in and there&#8217;s no further annual registration fee beyond the first one paid. The situation you&#8217;re describing is a little unique, because it crosses over two entirely separate (even if adjoining) councils. My recommendation would be to ask the second council how they&#8217;d like to handle this. If it turns out that the double registration policy can&#8217;t be applied, then an extra ten bucks will need to be paid. Oh, well&#8230; ten bucks usually doesn&#8217;t break the bank, when it&#8217;s once a year!<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong><em><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">Hi Andy, <\/span><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong><em><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">Recently, I attended a Cub Scout Leader Specific training course in my district, and was informed by the lead trainer of the course (who is also a District Executive) that Assistant Den Leaders are eligible to earn the Cub Scout Den Leader and the Webelos Den Leader &#8220;knots.&#8221; However, I\u2019ve found no reference in any BSA literature or website that specifies anything other than &#8220;serve one year as a registered Den Leader&#8221; as the tenure requirement. As a new Cubmaster, I believe it\u2019s important to recognize volunteer leaders for their time and effort. If an Assistant Wolf Den Leader completes all the other requirements for the Den Leader Knot (except that they were an ADL instead of a DL for the previous year), could they or could they not be awarded a Den Leader award? Thanks! (Austin Roy, CM, Pack 27 Lone Tree District, Yankee Clipper Council, Haverhill, MA) <\/span><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">Assistant Den Leaders and Assistant Webelos Den Leaders can earn the <span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Cub Scouter Award<\/span>, and should definitely go for it. The requirements are included in the <span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">CUB SCOUT LEADER BOOK<\/span>. However, assistants don&#8217;t earn the awards for DL or WDL because that&#8217;s not the job they held. The &#8220;except that they were an assistant&#8221; is one big &#8220;except&#8221; and doesn&#8217;t (and, to my mind, shouldn&#8217;t) qualify them for the Leader Award.<\/p>\n<p><\/span><strong><em><span style=\"font-size: normal;\"> Dear Andy,<\/span><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong><em><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">After re-reading your reply and the comments from \u201cLisa\u201d (see my November 2005 column), I\u2019d like to point out that every person who is at a Scout meeting, regardless of where it\u2019s held, is subject to the rules of Scouting. If it\u2019s at the sponsor\u2019s location, then the COR (Chartered Organization Representative) at the very least should be contacted and advised that they can be held accountable for the conduct of persons meeting at their location. The sponsor should ban that person from the site and call the police if he or she shows up again for trespassing, and be removed. If the person has been drinking, he or she could be looking at jail. If it\u2019s at a Den&#8217;s Leaders home, that DL can do the same. In addition, if this is reported to the Scout Executive, and the SE doesn\u2019t take any action about the reported harassment and\/or misconduct (which should be reported to the childcare office in the area), then the DL should contact them directly (this is a hard step, because child services officers go on the view that a person is guilty and will have that person arrested before any facts come to light\u2014I\u2019ve seen this happen in our own area\u2014and it can take months for someone to clear their name even after the facts show they\u2019re not guilty.) But, to continue, if the sponsor is contacted and harassment happens again to that person or any other person at their site and they (the sponsor) haven\u2019t taken steps to prevent it, they may find themselves in court! To say there\u2019s nothing that can be done is wrong! Most harassment and abuse happens without witnesses. That\u2019s why the report of such an event is taken a face value! After contacting all members, leaders and Scouts, then that person can return to the group if he or she is found to be faultless. (Don McDow, Atlanta Area Council, GA)<\/span><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">Thanks for continuing to be a loyal reader\u2014and writer! I agree with everything you&#8217;ve pointed out; however, as you may have picked up, the main problem in that situation was a Den Leader who was doing nothing except perhaps enjoying the attention, perverted though it may have been! Some people, if they don&#8217;t get the attention they need from their spouse, will accept substitutes, even the unsavory kind! Re-read that DL&#8217;s letter and I think you&#8217;ll see what I\u2019m talking about.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong><em><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">Dear Andy,<\/span><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong><em><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">The requirements for the Swimming Sports Pin (no. 4) state: &#8220;Using a kickboard, demonstrate three kinds of kicks.&#8221; What kinds of kicks? I\u2019ve done several searches on the web under swimming kicks, swimming technique, etc., in vain. I\u2019ve looked in the Webelos Handbook under Aquanaut Requirements, with no luck. Is there a merit badge book that covers this? Is there any resource you know of that can shed some light on this seemingly small but important requirement? (Esther Swartz, Tiger Cub Den Leader, Pacific Harbors Council, WA)<\/span><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">You&#8217;re in luck! The Boy Scout pamphlet for Swimming Merit Badge has exactly what you&#8217;re looking for, including the flutter kick, whip kick, scissor kick, etc.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong><em><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">Hi, Andy,<\/span><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong><em><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">In your December 2005 column, you answered a question about re-selling Scout uniforms, saying it\u2019s OK and to go find them at Salvation Army and Goodwill stores. As it turns out, all of the Goodwill and Salvation Army stores have received letters from the BSA National Office asking them to not accept Scout uniforms for resale. When I was taking lots of trips for the Air Force, I always scoured these resale outlets for Scout uniforms\u2014I\u2019d strip the patches off them and then make them available for needy Scouts who were willing to help me shovel my drive in the winter or mow my lawn in the summer. Today, this is no longer an option. With National&#8217;s stand to the resale stores, a vital avenue for boys to find uniforms on the cheap has been cut off, making it harder for less well off Scouts to be fully uniformed. (Less well off, heck! It cost me well over 90 bucks dollars to buy a short- and a long-sleeve uniform shirt and patches at my friendly nearby Scout Store! That can be a hurdle for any one!) (Dave Loomis, ADC, Daniel Webster Council, NH)<\/span><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">It&#8217;s pretty obvious that I had no idea about such a letter or request from the BSA National Office! Wow! Now I know why uniforms have pretty much disappeared from these stores in recent years! Personally, I think this is a darned shame! How cool would it have been if the BSA had offered to buy all such uniforms from Goodwill and the Salvation Army at some fixed price and then established some sort of &#8220;national clearing house&#8221; for them, to help needy Scout families! My guess is that, when folks who have taken their sons&#8217; old uniforms to GW or SA and are &#8220;rejected&#8221; by these stores, these still-good uniforms wind up either in the trash or in some town\u2019s recycling bin. What a loss! Even though, on a cost-per-year-worn basis, Scout uniforms aren&#8217;t all that prohibitively priced, relative to youth &#8220;fashions&#8221; today, it still seems a pity that a secondary market that benefits a socioeconomic class that Scouting needs to reach is being cut out.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong><em><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">Greetings Andy,<\/span><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong><em><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">I thoroughly enjoy reading your column and always appreciate good advice. I&#8217;m on the District Committee and have served and will serve as a COR for two different chartered organizations. I thought that I might throw my \u201ctwo cents\u201d in on your comments to Roger Cahoon, AAC, regarding Scoutmaster rotation. My district has experienced rapid population growth and is trying to start new units to support Scouts and potential Scouts in our mushrooming subdivisions. Finding kids to join units usually is not a major problem. The real challenge is to find interested, qualified adults willing to do the heavy lifting of leadership in the new units. We\u2019ve tried a couple of approaches, including advertising for leaders (not terribly successful so far) and trying to convince frustrated ASMs to change Troops so that they can be SMs (that hasn&#8217;t been a wild success either, but we keep trying). We haven&#8217;t tried kidnapping yet but that will probably end up on the agenda soon enough. \ud83d\ude42 Perhaps Roger, or others, might find the following thoughts useful:<\/span><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong><em><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">&#8211; I wouldn\u2019t advocate an artificial limit on tenure for successful adult leadership, but perhaps some gentle conversation with the incumbent SM might encourage him to give others a chance to be in charge. (Pity there&#8217;s no ASM Coach knot, like the old Den Leader Coach knot.)<\/span><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong><em><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">&#8211; If the eager ASM-and-son are happy in their current Troop, why change?<\/span><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong><em><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">&#8211; If Junior and Dad have fewer opportunities than they\u2019d ultimately prefer, then perhaps a friendly look-around for other Troops might be in order\u2014nothing wrong with a little cross-pollination between Troops to share good ideas and people!<\/span><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong><em><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">&#8211; If Dad is champing at the bit, but the Scout is happy and successful in his current Troop, Dad could move to another Troop after the Scout finishes his youth \u201ccareer.\u201d <\/span><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong><em><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">&#8211; Finally, as a COR looking for motivated adult leadership, I\u2019d view the eager ASM as prime <span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">new Troop<\/span> SM! Heaven knows that experienced leadership is ALWAYS welcome in any new unit. <\/span><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong><em><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">(Peter P, National Capital Area Council, VA)<\/span><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">I like your ideas and suggestions a lot! Personally, I&#8217;ve always believed that, for the ultimate good of the Troop, one of a new Scoutmaster&#8217;s key responsibilities is to identify and start training his own replacement!<\/p>\n<p><\/span><strong><em><span style=\"font-size: normal;\"> Dear Andy,<\/span><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong><em><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">I\u2019m also an avid cyclist and a Cycling Merit Badge Counselor. I\u2019d like to know who I could write to, to discuss the possibility of changing some of the Cycling MB requirements to accommodate the growing number of Scouts who enjoy Mountain Biking. I know for a fact that the mileage one rides on a road is equal in effort to half of what a ride in the woods would be. Road 25 = Woods 12.5 (regardless of bike type). I know this from personal experience, and the cycling clubs I belong to recognize this, also. I\u2019d like to propose a different ride requirement for Mountain Bikers. Who do I talk to? (Frank Lincoln, SM, Troop 47, Suffolk County Council, Patchogue, NY)<\/span><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">Mr. Terry Lawson is the BSA&#8217;s National Director of Advancement. Write to him at the Irving, Texas office. You never know&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong><em><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">Dear Andy,<\/span><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong><em><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">I\u2019ve just been asked to be the Scout Roundtable Commissioner for my District. Where do I begin? Any and\/or all suggestions would be greatly appreciated. (John Erickson)<\/span><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">I\u2019m going to assume you\u2019ve got some Scouting experience, perhaps as a Cubmaster or Scoutmaster or both. And I\u2019m going to assume that they picked you for your talents and not heartbeat. I\u2019m also going to assume that you can track down your council\u2019s training courses for Commissioners and, hopefully, Roundtable Commissioners, on your own. That said, here goes\u2026<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">In the first place, miserably attended BSRTs are not all that uncommon. Let\u2019s face it, these are largely for Scoutmasters, and these guys are already committed to four Troop meetings a month plus at least one weekend for camping, plus (I\u2019m thinking positive here) a PLC or Green Bar meeting every month. On average, that accounts for about ten percent of their total available time in an average month, and we haven\u2019t taken out normal sleeping time. If we did that, the time they\u2019re already devoting to Scouting account for nearly 15 percent of their waking hours. That\u2019s no small amount!<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">Next point: Like the Scouts in their Troops, these dedicated volunteers still \u201cvote with their feet.\u201d Give them a menu of boring, low-energy, non-involving regurgitations of the Scoutmaster\u2019s Handbook and those who don\u2019t fall asleep will be charging for the door at the first opportunity. Wouldn\u2019t <em>you<\/em>! Unless you can deliver\u2014at a level appropriate to your audience\u2014\u201cfun with a purpose,\u201d color \u2018em outa there!<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">Roundtables are anachronistic. Back in the \u201cgood old days,\u201d when there was no internet, no television, and telephones were used only for \u201cimportant\u201d or \u201cemergency\u201d purposes, Roundtables were wonderful opportunities to get some direct human contact, learn what\u2019s going on around the town or district, meet and greet other like-minded community volunteers, share some cocoa and cookies, and share some tales of the last camping trip. No more. Why? Because, in our present time-compressed society, we often don\u2019t take the time for this anymore. Because much of what Roundtables originally were designed to communicate can be communicated via other faster and more efficient means. Because people, after the invention of the television (Yup, it goes back that far!) complain that they \u201cjust can\u2019t find the time\u201d when what they really mean is that they won\u2019t turn off the tube long enough to smell the roses. (No one \u201cfinds\u201d time\u2014we have to <em><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">make<\/span><\/em> time for the things that are important to us!)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">So, where does all this leave you? Well, if you\u2019re gonna be successful, and feel that the time <em>you\u2019re<\/em> putting in is worth while, you need to somehow attract a larger and steady audience. How? By offering something they can\u2019t get anywhere else. To do this, you\u2019re going to use \u201cCubmaster skills\u201d more than \u201cScoutmaster skills.\u201d You\u2019ll need to reach out to every unit in your district, and let them know that <em>your<\/em> Roundtables are going to be something <em>special<\/em>. Special presentations by special groups\u2026the NRA for gun safety, the OA to show how a Troop benefits from having Arrowmen in it, local attractions (like a Navy ship or Army base, interactive museum, or even a store specializing in the latest backpacking gear, and so on\u2026). And you\u2019re going to set up a \u201cduty rotation,\u201d just like patrols on an overnight\u2026Troop 1 does the opening ceremony this month, Troop 2 next month, and so on\u2026Troop 3 does the closing this month, Troop 4 next month, and so on\u2026Troop 5 comes and talks about their \u201cspecial\u201d place to camp this month, and Troop 6 next month\u2026Troop 7\u2019s in charge of refreshments this month and Troop 8 next month\u2026you get the idea! In short, INVOLVEMENT is the key! And you\u2019re the Master of Ceremonies, as well as the month-to-month \u201crecruiter\u201d of each presenter. Always include an \u201copen forum,\u201d so questions can get asked and answered. And be sure to tap into the Commissioner staff in your district\u2014EVERY Commissioner should be at EVERY Roundtable: This is how they support you, and how they can help keep track of the health of the Troops they serve!<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">Many councils and districts think of Roundtables as adjuncts to training, and this is accurate. But YOU are NOT the trainer\u2014Your presenters are the trainers (but don\u2019t tell the audience that!). Your job is really that of talent Scout, recruiter, producer, director, and master of ceremonies, all wrapped into one. It\u2019s a big job. It\u2019s an IMPORTANT job! And, if you\u2019re up to the challenge, it can be immensely rewarding.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">A final thought: Set goals for yourself, and make them realistic and tangible. If attendance-by-Troop is, say, 15% right now, set a goal of 50% participation by June\u2014not 100%, or you\u2019ll burn yourself out way too fast, and frustrate yourself along the way! KISMIF \u2013 Keep It Simple; Make It Fun!<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong><em><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">Dear Andy,<\/span><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong><em><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">What do the bands or rays on the Arrow of Light mean? I may be doing a ceremony for graduating Webelos Scouts! (Kenneth Kimmel, SM) <\/span><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">The seven rays of the Arrow of Light represent the seven virtues of wisdom, courage, self-control, justice, faith, hope, and love. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">Go to the \u201cMacScouter\u201d website (it&#8217;s inside the USSSP site) and you&#8217;ll find a whole bunch of different ceremonies that you can borrow exactly as written, or modify to fit your own situation. As for the bands on an actual arrow, you can have them stand for whatever you like! Ranks are a nice idea. You could include arrow points, too, and even CS Sports\/Academics identifications (if they were into those programs, of course). In other words, be as creative as you&#8217;d like, and everything will turn out just fine!<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong><em><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">Dear Andy,<\/span><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong><em><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">I\u2019m a pretty new Cubmaster. A few months ago, some of our Pack leaders wanted to \u201cvote me out\u201d because I was \u201caggravating\u201d them. The watershed moment was when I wouldn\u2019t let them have a combined Den meeting of new Tiger Cubs and our Pack\u2019s Webelos Scouts (I found the notion of 30 or more people and the disparate age groups counter-productive to orienting our new Tiger teams. As a result, I was asked to step down or be voted out because I &#8220;had deeply offended the experienced leaders who had planned that meeting.&#8221; There&#8217;s a lot more that they oppose me on. I\u2019ve challenged them on a host of topics, including training, two-deep leadership, fund-raising guidelines, and uniforming. I considered myself \u201csafe\u201d from a \u201clegal\u201d vote, since only the Pack committee had the authority to appoint or replace me, and that vote would result in a tie between my supporters and detractors. But these five leaders then told me that they were going to take a vote of all the registered leaders present at the next leaders meeting, and this would allow them to count the votes of other detractors, too. They \u201cgraciously\u201d offered to let me trade positions with one of my ACMs because they didn&#8217;t want me to \u201cfade away because of this.&#8221; I desperately want to maintain my position as CM, so that I can rein in this circus, so I begged and pleaded and promised to not be such a firebrand (I\u2019ve played it very low-key over the past several months, and this group believes they&#8217;ve got me under their domination now).<\/p>\n<p>So, now, in a couple of weeks we\u2019re scheduled to re-charter. When I went through the paperwork, I made a discovery: One of the problem committee members isn\u2019t registered, and neither is either of the two problem ACMs! I\u2019m thinking that we could let these glitches stay the way they are and fill the \u201cempty\u201d positions with people who will follow BSA policies. So, one question is this: Is leaving these leaders\u2019 non-registrations alone and filling the technically \u201cempty\u201d positions a good and legal option? Can the argument be successfully made that someone who\u2019s been doing the secretary&#8217;s duties, but without being registered as such, should have the application filled out and made official? (Tammi Scott)<\/span><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">Well isn&#8217;t this a fine kettle of fish! One thing I&#8217;ve noticed is that mention of your Pack Committee Chair (CC) and your Pack\u2019s Unit Commissioner (UC) are conspicuously absent. The job of registering and reregistering a unit is the CC&#8217;s; not the Cubmaster&#8217;s. Where is that person in this mess? Further, when a unit&#8217;s having &#8220;adult trouble,&#8221; the first person to be brought in as a mediator\/facilitator\/supplemental training instructor is the UC! Where is he?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">The Cubmaster&#8217;s primary interest area is program\u2014Not paperwork, not registrations, not fundraising. I&#8217;m obliged to tell you that you may be overstepping your responsibility area, in some ways. So, unless it&#8217;s program-related, cool it! That&#8217;s the job of the CC!<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">No, neither you nor anyone else can &#8220;register&#8221; people\u2014They have to fill out the appropriate application themselves, sign it themselves, and write a check for BSA registration fees themselves, then turn these materials over to the CC for his or her signature\u2014The Cubmaster doesn&#8217;t &#8220;sign off&#8221; on adult applications.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">The other thing that seems to be missing is any mention of training. I&#8217;m guessing that nobody&#8217;s trained, or there would be fewer controversies about such things as uniforming, registrations, &#8220;voting&#8221; on other leaders, the role of the Chartered Organization head and the COR, etc. This tells me that the one most important thing that needs to be encouraged (by the Pastor, the COR, and the CC) is ALL DEN LEADERS GET TRAINED. In addition, anyone on the committee owes it to the DLs and you to get trained, too! Once this happens, you&#8217;ll all be on the same page, at least\u2014You&#8217;ll all have the same knowledge foundation.<\/p>\n<p>If, on the other hand, you and these other folks have been trained, it&#8217;s obvious that little stuck. Cub Scout training is not a &#8220;series of suggestions&#8221;&#8211;take &#8217;em or reinvent the wheel. Cub Scout training tells you how to DELIVER THE PROGRAM AS IT&#8217;S SUPPOSED TO BE DELIVERED, and any variation is inappropriate, regardless of how ostensibly legitimate the rationale for deviating.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">At the personal level, if I were CM and I&#8217;m getting that much resistance, I&#8217;d quit that job and be the Den Leader for my son&#8217;s Den, so that at least he and his friends can get the Cub Scout program the way it&#8217;s supposed to be delivered. That&#8217;s what&#8217;s most important here!<\/p>\n<p><\/span><strong><em><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">Hi Andy,<\/span><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong><em><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">I need help in finding a list of the old Physical Fitness requirements for Eagle Scout rank. I believe that in the 1950&#8217;s the requirement was significant. Please tell me where I can find this information. (George Staight, Assistant Camporee Chairman, El Camino Real District, Orange County Council, CA)<\/span><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">I&#8217;m guessing you&#8217;re asking about the <span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Personal Fitness<\/span> merit badge. Yes, the requirements have changed substantially over the past 50 years. To see what they were like back in the &#8217;50s, get your hands on a <span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">HANDBOOK FOR BOYS<\/span> from that era\u2014the Fifth Edition, published June 1953, should do just fine. Where to get one? Try eBay. You can pick one up there for $10 or less. You&#8217;re looking for the small-sized book with the two Scouts and an Explorer sitting around a campfire from which an Indian chief has emerged in the smoke.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong><em><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">Dear Andy,<\/span><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong><em><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">I ran across your July \u201905 column while searching for some information on my grandfather&#8217;s Troop\u2014He was a Scout in Buffalo, NY, in the 1920&#8217;s, and his Scoutmaster English Army Captain who married one of the Kellogg daughters. I&#8217;d love to see if the gentleman he mentioned is still around. My granddad is 95 and living near Atlanta. If you could pass my message on, I&#8217;d appreciate it. (Bill Meldrum, MC, Troop 342, Shaw AFB, SC &#8211; wmeldrum@deism.org)<\/span><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: normal;\">The follow-up to the item you saw in my July &#8217;05 column is in the October &#8217;05 column. The grandson of that gentleman is Mark Schuller and you can contact him directly at msdds@aol.com.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #663300; font-family: verdana;\"><span style=\"color: #663300; font-family: verdana;\">Happy Scouting!<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<h3>Andy<\/h3>\n<p>Got a question? Send it to me at <span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><a href=\"mailto:AskAndyBSA@yahoo.com\">AskAndyBSA@yahoo.com<\/a><\/span> &#8211; (Please include your Council name and home state)<\/p>\n<p align=\"left\">(Mid-January 2006 \u2013 Copyright \u00a9 2006 Andy McCommish)<\/p>\n<!-- AddThis Advanced Settings generic via filter on the_content --><!-- AddThis Share Buttons generic via filter on the_content -->","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>How\u2019s this for a \u201csuccess story\u201d\u2026 Hi Andy, I\u2019ve been reading your column avidly while looking for a unit Commissioner opportunity. Great column! 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