{"id":644,"date":"2009-04-20T10:54:50","date_gmt":"2009-04-20T14:54:50","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/netcommissioner.com\/askandy\/?p=644"},"modified":"2011-11-12T20:48:38","modified_gmt":"2011-11-13T01:48:38","slug":"issue-171-april-20-2009","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/netcommissioner.com\/askandy\/2009\/04\/issue-171-april-20-2009\/","title":{"rendered":"Issue 171 – April 20, 2009"},"content":{"rendered":"

Let\u2019s start out with a Philmont update<\/span><\/em>\u2026 There are new requirements for trek crews both in Wilderness First Aid and in CPR training. Philmont is now requiring that at least one person<\/em> in each crew (preferably two people\u2014can be an advisor or a youth participant) have current certification in ARC Wilderness First Aid basic or the equivalent, and AHA or ARC CPR training, or the equivalent. This is for pure safety and survival. Philmont confirms: Depending on where your crew is when an incident occurs, it can take several hours for ranch staff to reach you, and that clock starts ticking only after<\/em> you\u2019ve been able to get the message in to the nearest staffed outpost camp! Thus, immediate availability of a trained crew member on-site, to provide proper and prompt attention, will definitely benefit the one who\u2019s injured or ill. Beginning this summer, all crews will be asked to show current certification cards upon check-in. Be Prepared!<\/p>\n

Now, on to our regular Q&As\u2026<\/p>\n

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Dear Andy,<\/strong><\/p>\n

Our long-established troop has no reference material available in a library. Other troops have extensive libraries (often better than the Scout shop). I\u2019ve checked my personal copy of the Troop Committee Guidebook but didn\u2019t find the answer to this question: If we were to try to establish a troop library, what should be the core purchases to build a library and then move to the nice-to-haves of a good library? My ideas include:<\/strong><\/p>\n

Necessary: Guide to Safe Scouting, Scoutmaster Handbook, Troop Committee Guidebook, Patrol Leader\u2019s Handbook, Advancement Committee Policies and Procedures, Troop Program Features<\/em>.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Nice to have: Merit badge pamphlets, other reference guides.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Another question: Do you consider the Fieldbook to be as critical as the handbook? IMHO, the Fieldbook is more fun to read than the handbook, but we use the handbook to record advancement.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Thanks in advance. (Donald Dillon, Central Florida Council)<\/strong><\/p>\n

I think your lists are good ones! I’d be interested in having several copies of the Patrol Leader Handbook<\/em> available\u2014at least one apiece for each current Patrol Leader\u2014and a Senior Patrol Leader Handbook<\/em>, too!<\/p>\n

Make sure the threeTroop Program Features<\/em> books are readily available to the Patrol Leaders Council, for program and event planning!<\/p>\n

Yes, definitely add a Fieldbook<\/em>! And, if you can go shopping on eBay or other site, be sure to pick up a copy or two of the 1959 Scout Fieldbook<\/em> (the one with the brown cover). You won’t be sorry!<\/p>\n

Merit badge pamphlets are, I agree, in the “nice to have\u201d category. Every Scout should really have his own, if possible. But an alternate to this is to keep several copies of the pamphlets for the 15 merit badges that are on the “required” list for Eagle! At about $3 apiece, and two per merit badge, you’re still under a hundred bucks!<\/p>\n

Now, how about doing this buying and then developing a check-out\/check-in system with a Scout who’s interested in maintaining and adding to the library<\/em>? Voila! You’ve got yourself a Librarian!<\/p>\n

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Dear Andy,<\/strong><\/p>\n

I have questions about Patrol Leaders, Senior Patrol Leaders and Assistant Senior Patrol Leaders\u2026 Does the BSA have any written rules that state that Patrol Leaders are elected by their patrol members? Does the BSA have any written rule that the Senior Patrol Leader is elected by the troop at large? Does the BSA have any written rule that Assistant Senior Patrol Leaders are appointed by the Senior Patrol Leader?<\/strong><\/p>\n

I\u2019m asking because, in our son\u2019s troop, the Scoutmaster has just appointed every one of these positions. (Name & Council Withheld)<\/strong><\/p>\n

ALL of this is written, plain as day, in the Scoutmaster Handbook<\/em>. These are not written as “suggestions” or “guidelines” or even “recommendations;” they’re written as THIS IS THE WAY IT’S DONE. If it’s not done this way, it’s simply NOT BOY SCOUTING. The “Scoutmaster” is the servant of, not the “master,” of the Scouts. This is also made plain and unequivocal.<\/p>\n

You\u2019ve brought tears to my eyes… Our son came home after his troop meeting so upset last night. He felt badly that the Scouts who would make a good Senior Patrol Leader didn\u2019t have a chance; he also felt badly for himself, because he wanted to run for Patrol Leader and this was taken away from him and others too, of course, when the Scoutmaster just named names and that was that. He\u2019s devastated. He\u2019s read about elections in his handbook. Now he just wants to quit Scouting.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Tell your son that I know exactly<\/em> how he feels. I had a Scoutmaster just like that when I was a brand-new Scout. It’s really a bummer. But…and this is a very important “but”…the problem isn’t Scouting<\/em>. It’s this particular Scoutmaster, who just doesn’t “get it.” He doesn\u2019t understand that, when he signed on, it was supposed to be for the purpose of delivering the Boy Scout program as written<\/em>; not as he decides to make it up!<\/p>\n

Are there any other troops nearby? Any you could visit, to see just what kind of Scouting’s going on there? When I was 11 years old, I actually transferred from on troop to another, and then to another before I found a troop that really gave its Scouts a Scouting good time! Yup, that’s three troops before I found the right one! But that’s where I stayed! Had a blast, too! And, would you believe… more than 50 years later, I’m still in touch with some of those guys! So, look around. We don’t “marry” troops, and we can change anytime we want! Got some friends that you hate to leave behind? Well, after you find a good troop, tell ’em! Maybe they’ll want to have a lot more fun, too!<\/p>\n

Thank you so much! My husband and I have told our son that he can change, but he feels he won’t have any friends in a new troop.<\/strong><\/p>\n

I\u2019m wondering, can the local council say or do anything about this Scoutmaster and what he\u2019s doing, or is this not in their hands?<\/strong><\/p>\n

This Scoutmaster instills fear in everyone, including parents. The other adult leaders in the troop are like sheep; they just do what he says without questioning. He doesn\u2019t have any sons in the Troop\u2014it\u2019s said he\u2019s \u201cdoing this out of the goodness of his heart\u201d\u2014and while some may feel this to be true, my husband and I see it differently. We see him as a man who has a need to be the big boss and isn\u2019t \u201cthe big boss\u201d anywhere else in his life, so he uses the Scouts and their parents as a way to feel like he\u2019s \u201cin charge\u201d of something and he can rule over it.<\/strong><\/p>\n

How about you or your husband (I\u2019d personally recommend your husband) visiting a new troop all by yourself, quietly, and if it looks good, explain to the Scoutmaster there just what your situation is, and your son’s fear about not having friends there (which really means, “I’m afraid that I won’t be accepted,” which is a very real fear among boys your son’s age). If the Scoutmaster’s the right kind of guy, he’ll ask you to bring your son around (yes, he should go in uniform) so he can meet your son and introduce him around. Worth a try?<\/p>\n

You see, I agree with you about your son’s present Scoutmaster. He’s acting more like a dictator, operating from instilling fear, and that’s exactly what you don’t want. We often call this kind of guy, “The World’s Oldest Patrol Leader.” Except that Patrol Leaders aren’t supposed to be dictators, either. When a man with no boy in the troop (ever?) continues to hang around, this is because he derives great satisfaction from the role. Some guys get it right: Their satisfaction comes from growing boys into men and giving them the guided freedom to learn from one another while he guides with a feather’s touch. Others, well, something else is operating that’s not quite as savory.<\/p>\n

Unfortunately, neither the council nor district\u2014volunteers nor professionals\u2014can do much about this, because the troop isn’t owned by them. The troop is actually owned by the sponsoring group (called (Chartered Organization,” or “CO” for short). Now if you happen to know the head of the CO well enough to have a private conversation, maybe you can make some headway about replacing this guy. Or maybe they’re looking for a Committee Chair for the troop committee and one of you is willing to step into this slot. If you do take the Chair position, you’re now in a wonderful position, because the Scoutmaster actually reports to you! That’s right: The Committee Chair has hire-fire authority and this can’t be overridden by anyone except the head of the CO! Is this an opportunity? I don’t know. Maybe.<\/p>\n

Meanwhile, maybe there are other unhappy boys, too, and maybe you know their parents well enough to test the water and see if maybe they’d be interested in checking out another troop, too. If so, then your son and his friends<\/em> could all transfer at the same time! I’d really think seriously about exploring this route! But whatever you do, don\u2019t let the grass grow under your feet\u2014every meeting from no on will be painful for your son and the other Scouts in the troop, and this guy isn\u2019t going to do an about-face anytime soon!<\/p>\n

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Dear Andy,<\/strong><\/p>\n

I\u2019ve been told that, on the old uniforms, the \u201ctrained\u201d patch is now supposed to go above the position patch. I know that, on the new uniform, that patch goes on the pocket flap above the position patch, but I thought that the old uniform stayed the way it was. Please let me know. Thank you. (Julia Walker, Trapper Trails Council, UT)<\/strong><\/p>\n

“Told” by whom? Was any written proof offered, or was this just somebody flappin’ their gums? I’m asking because the new adult leader inspection guides (check out www.scouting.org) clearly show two positions: Above and on the sleeve’s pocket flap for the new uniform shirts, and below for the “old” uniform shirts. When confronted by hearsay like this, be sure to ask, “So, can you show me that in writing, please.”<\/p>\n

I was told by someone who flaps her gums a lot! She\u2019s always trying to correct people on things she knows nothing about. Thanks for the verification. I willgladly<\/em> pass it on to her! (Julia)<\/strong><\/p>\n

Knock yerself out! J<\/p>\n

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Dear Andy,<\/strong><\/p>\n

We\u2019re having a conflict in our pack. A couple of leaders recently went to training, but at different places, with different trainers. Now they\u2019ve come back to pack with different viewpoints, and they\u2019re all saying the same thing: \u201cWell, when I<\/em> went to training they<\/em> told us to do it like this!<\/em>\u201d I\u2019ve tried to explain to them that volunteer trainers give the courses, and they can\u2019t help but tell you how their own unit\u2019s run, so things may not match up exactly. I need some help in explaining how to bring the information back to our unit without a \u201cholier than thou\u201d attitude. (Darlene Wiertzema, Orange County Council, CA)<\/strong><\/p>\n

Everyone brings their own set of experiences and insights to the anecdotal part of training\u2014the part where we\u2019re not talking policy, procedure, or program, but more along the lines of \u201cHere\u2019s how we got this to work\u2026\u201d However, there should be absolutely no deviation when it comes to BSA policies, procedures, or program delivery. Hopefully, the conflicting ideas your folks came back with are in the former category and not the latter. If the latter, then use a resource like the Cub Scout Leader Book<\/em> to establish which point of view is the correct one. And, when you do, accept no \u201cYeah, but\u2026\u201d responses!<\/p>\n

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Dear Andy,<\/strong><\/p>\n

I\u2019ve heard that the BSA national office now allows each council to decide for itself if a Scout must have his own leadership project to earn the ranks of Star and Life, or not. Where is this in writing, and are there any parameters or guidelines for this? (Lori Carson, CC, Tidewater Council, VA)<\/strong><\/p>\n

You’re “heard”… from whom?<\/em> BSA national advancement requirements are inviolate. Period. Anyone who persists in trying to convince you of anything otherwise needs to be told: “Show me in writing; until then, no way, Jose.”<\/p>\n

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Hi Andy,<\/strong><\/p>\n


\nI\u2019m a new troop Committee Chair and we have a new Scoutmaster, too, and we\u2019ve been scouring your columns to find insights! Your information and responses are invaluable. I just saw a question asked about Eagle Scout applicants being required to ask for their own letters of recommendation. This has happened to our troop\u2019s last three Eagle rank applicants. I wasn’t aware of this discrepancy until recently, when my own son started to fill out his application. That\u2019s when he asked me why other Scouts had to ask for references when all the application asks for are the names and information for people who would be willing to be references. I said I didn’t know, so he contacted the other Scouts and they told him that that\u2019s what the council told them to do. These Scouts were getting close to their 18th<\/sup> birthdays, so they decided not to take the chance of having their applications being turned down or delayed, so they did as told. In our case, my son is 16 and will complete his project and application in the next month or a little more. He wants to challenge what the council\u2019s making Eagle candidates do, and believes time is on his side to stand on principle. My question: Where can we find the official policy on a BSA website or in a handbook? The only place we\u2019ve been able to find it is at www.meritbadge.com, but that\u2019s not an official source for BSA policy. (Shawn Carlberg, Los Padres Council, CA)<\/strong><\/p>\n

Unfortunately, some council advancement committees begin to believe, for some unknown reason, that they can add stipulations to requirements and procedures when they actually don’t have the authority to do so. This frequently happens when it comes to Eagle rank requirements and how they are to be fulfilled.<\/p>\n

Regarding Eagle Scout rank requirement 2, as your son correctly discerned, the Scout’s only responsibility is to provide, on the application, “…the names of individuals who…would be willing to provide a recommendation on your behalf.” That’s it, in total. This means that, after the Scout has inquired of, and received the assurances of, up to six people that they would be willing to provide a recommendation, all the Scout needs do is list their name, address, telephone number, and email address (if any) on the form. Having done that, he has completed requirement 2. From that point forward, the process described in Advancement Committee Policies and Procedures<\/em> (BSA No. 33088) takes over. This BSA booklet explains clearly and without equivocation that the solicitation of the actual recommendations is definitely not the responsibility of the Scout; it is the responsibility of the council, or district, or troop adult volunteer charged with doing this. It would therefore be considered an addition <\/em>to the requirement if the council, district, or troop required the Scout to do this, and\u2014as we are all supposed to know\u2014additions to advancement requirements are strictly forbidden by the BSA national council. Consequently, whoever or whatever entity at the Los Padres Council has insinuated this additional burden on Eagle candidates is one hundred percent inappropriate and incorrect.<\/p>\n

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Dear Andy,<\/strong><\/p>\n


\nWho, in a troop, can administer the Scoutmaster Conference? I am a brand-new incoming Scoutmaster. We have a limited number of Assistant Scoutmasters. My own son needs a conference for his First Class rank, and I\u2019m trying to figure out what to do. (Craig Brower, Denver Area Council, CO)<\/strong><\/p>\n

There is absolutely no BSA policy that prohibits a Scoutmaster-Dad from conferencing with his Scout-son! In fact, this is a bonding experience that the two of you will remember for a good long while! If anybody criticizes or outright objects, tell ’em to go pound sand down a rat hole (or something gentler, if you’re so inclined).<\/p>\n

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Dear Andy,<\/strong><\/p>\n

Our troop is planning a whitewater rafting trip. Is the instruction that the outfitter gives you at the river, prior to the trip, considered a \u201cqualified whitewater specialist\u201d and is this considered \u201cadequate\u201d training? If not or if you\u2019re unsure, what would the special training by a BSA Aquatics Instructor be, and how do I get in touch with one? The language I\u2019m looking at is: \u201cAll participants in activity afloat must be trained and experienced in watercraft handling skills, safety, and emergency procedures\u2026For unit activity on white water, all participants must complete special training by a BSA Aquatics Instructor or qualified whitewater specialist.\u201d (John Dorgan, MC, Northern New Jersey Council) <\/strong><\/p>\n

I’m assuming you’re not bringing your own rafts or canoes or kayaks, paddles, PFDs, etc. Instead, I’m assuming that you’ve contracted with one of the many “Whitewater Adventure”-type operations and outfitters that ply the Lehigh and Delaware waters, offering group trips like the one you\u2019re describing. They’ll supply the watercraft, PFDs, etc., along with instructors, instructions, and\u2014in some cases\u2014guides who come along with you. If I’ve got that right, then the company you’ve contracted with is responsible for everything that takes place on the water, and this (including their liability insurance and\/or accident wavier forms) will supersede any BSA protocols. This is, in fact, a part of what you’re buying. That said, if you have folks who are SSD\/SA trained, First Aid trained, CPR trained, etc., it’s certainly worthwhile to encourage them to come along! It would also be prudent to make certain that all Scouts and adults who come on this trip have met the swimming requirements for First Class rank (yes, this is despite, not in lieu of, PFDs).<\/p>\n

If you have questions of a more specific nature, check with the person at your council service center who approves tour permits, and\/or check with your council’s risk management committee.<\/p>\n

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Hi Andy,<\/strong><\/p>\n

Can an Assistant Scoutmaster sit in as a voting member of a troop committee? What about a Scoutmaster? Thanks. (Debra Giles)<\/strong><\/p>\n

The registered members of a unit’s committee have two codes, and only two: CC (for “Committee Chair”) and MC (for “Member of the Committee”). Neither the Scoutmaster nor assistants are or ever have been members of a unit committee. Moreover, any unit “organization chart” clearly shows this.<\/p>\n

That said, the other point that needs to be emphasized is that there’s virtually nothing<\/em> that a unit committee actually ever needs to vote on! Not adult volunteers, not troop meeting program content, not troop outing or camping schedule or location, not uniforming, not dues, not which youth will fill which positions, not which summer camp to go to this year, not what sort of service project the troop will do for its sponsor, not much of anything at all! Ever.<\/p>\n

I’m curious\u2026just what does your erstwhile committee feel it needs to take votes on?<\/p>\n

Amazingly enough, some committee members feel the need to vote on whether or not only men can serve on boards of review for First Class rank and above. I personally don\u2019t think this is right, but some are taking the whole “Scouting is a ministry” idea to the extreme. Yes, I believe that men should lead, but I don\u2019t feel that extends to all aspects of life, including Scouting. I have plenty of women who are available to serve on any board or review, and find it difficult sometimes to get the men to serve. Of course, we decided to give this a try \u201ctheir way\u201d for three months and\u2014low and behold!\u2014I\u2019ve had men stepping up where they weren’t before! It’s frustrating to me as the Advancement Chair not to be able to do my job without others interfering. I\u2019m praying that this works itself out, or I may be finding a new troop to volunteer with. I don\u2019t want to convey the wrong message to the Scouts that women are in any way inferior to men. Thanks so much for your input. I thought I knew the answer, but wanted confirmation of it. (Deb)<\/strong><\/p>\n

Quietly “stack” the committee with women, then out-vote the jerks! <wink><\/p>\n

BUT, do keep in mind that it\u2019s not just \u201cany parent with a pulse\u201d who can sit on a board of review\u2026 Except for Eagle rank, all boards of review must be populated by registered members of the troop committee.<\/p>\n

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Dear Andy,<\/strong><\/p>\n

I’ve just read your comments about “active” and \u201cScout spirit\u201d as they pertain to advancement. I couldn’t agree with you more about the \u201cDo Your Best\u201d part. But would you consider a Life Scout who doesn\u2019t attend an Eagle Scout Court of Honor and goes to a high school party instead to be doing his best? Or what about a Scout who has a part-time job, who could get off on troop meeting nights, but works instead to be doing his best? Better yet, how about he works on troop meeting nights to earn money to trick out his car with new tires and wheels\u2026 Is he doing his best? Or what about the Scout who blows off a Klondike Derby to go snowboarding with some friends?<\/strong><\/p>\n

I’m not certain that there\u2019s any<\/em> situation that wouldn\u2019t ultimately complete the “active” or \u201cScout spirit\u201d requirements. If that\u2019s the case, why have those requirements at all? I\u2019d thought it\u2019s supposed to be challenging and a little hard to become an Eagle Scout? If a boy is taking the easy way (like that party, or going snowboarding), is that an ethical choice?<\/strong><\/p>\n

I take some umbrage on your equating lack of exciting program with a corresponding lack of participation. In a boy-led troop, aren’t the Scouts supposed to provide the spark and enthusiasm\u2014especially the older guys?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Our Troop camps about ten months of the year and always attends a week-long resident camp, traveling to Virginia, Canada, southern Ohio, Pennsylvania and beyond. Two years ago we did a Philmont Trek. So, all in all, I don’t think we aren’t delivering! (Chuck Ulle, SM, Great Western Reserve Council, OH)<\/strong><\/p>\n

“Do your best” and “active” are linked, just as “do your best” is linked with every aspect of Scouting in one way or another. So, believe it or not, I’d say \u201cyes\u201d to all your situations. You see, Scouting is a volunteer organization, and the primary volunteers ain’t you n’ me… They’re the young men we’re here to serve. If a teen-aged boy decides to go to a birthday party, sports event, bar mitzvah, school dance, Wii party, church group event, or whatever (the list goes on and on…), so what. This means nothing more than he’s involved in lots of stuff. This is one of the things we strive for in Scouting\u2014Creating an atmosphere of broad interests and experimentation. We sure don\u2019t want to be in the business of \u201cbuilding Scout nerds,” where Scouting is all they do!<\/p>\n

Hey, try this fact: Fifty percent of the purposes of the merit badge program is to expand a young man\u2019s horizons. So, how can we, on the one hand, say \u201cGo out there and do lots o\u2019 stuff\u201d and then turn around and ding the Scout for doing just that without looking like our tongue\u2019s hinged at both ends!<\/p>\n

All teenagers are motivated by self-interest (isn’t it a lucky thing that we adults aren’t!) and so any boy with any brains and gumption at all will choose from among his options and pick what appeals the most to him, at that moment in time.<\/p>\n

Besides, once they figure you all out, you\u2019re dead in the water\u2026<\/p>\n

The really clever snowboarder\u2019s gonna come to you and say, \u201cGee, Mister Scoutmaster, I know there\u2019s a Klondike Derby this weekend, but I\u2019m already scheduled to practice my skills so I can complete Snow Sports merit badge.\u201d Or how about the party-goer, who tells you, \u201cHi, Mister Scoutmaster, guess what\u2026 I\u2019m just about done with Music merit badge, and I\u2019m playing piano at a school event, to complete the \u2018performance\u2019 requirement!\u201d Or the part-time money-earner, who says, \u201cMister Scoutmaster, as you know, I bought a pretty used car, with my own money, and now I have to replace the wheels and tires, so it\u2019s safe to drive, so I\u2019m gonna be working some extra hours for a little bit.\u201d What are you gonna say? Well, you already know\u2026<\/p>\n

As for Eagle-specific Courts of Honor, here\u2019s a newsflash: These are just plain real boring<\/em> for everyone except the Eagle and his family, and Scouts blow \u2018em off all the time, and I have trouble blaming \u2018em. Maybe you all need to consider full<\/em> Courts of Honor, the way they were originally crafted, so that as many Scouts as possible make it to center stage instead of just the Eagle(s). If that sounds like heresy, then take a look back in BSA history and you’ll discover that Eagle-specific Courts of Honor are a relatively new phenomenon, and the more they tend to resemble coronations the less interest other Scouts will have in them.<\/p>\n

Rank advancement is challenging… Each rank is an exponent of what came before; they\u2019re not linear. The requirements are set forth by the BSA and we\u2019re obligated to not deviate from them so much as an iota. It’s not our “job” to make things “tough” or any tougher than the requirements themselves.<\/p>\n

“Active” (the BSA definition) means he’s registered and dues-paid in the troop. Period. You and I aren\u2019t permitted to make “active” mean more than that. If we did, then every troop in the country would have a different definition and mayhem would result. So, let’s not go there, shall we.<\/p>\n

Boys and young men don’t join Scouting because they must, and we cannot legislate participation. Our job is to bring out the best in every boy we encounter. Do that, and we’re doing our job. Start getting resentful and rigid when a Scout skips an event, and you’re feeding the wrong wolf. Scouting doesn’t take hostages.<\/p>\n

Thanks for bring these points up. They’re important.<\/p>\n

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Hi Andy, <\/strong><\/p>\n

Can you point out in any of the BSA literature where it specifically states that “once earned, an award or advancement can never be rescinded”? (Rob Richmond)<\/strong><\/p>\n

Let’s do the opposite: Let’s have the person(s) promoting this notion to show you, in writing, where the BSA says it’s OK to do this. Let’s make them do the work, shall we? Until they can, it’s no go, Joe!<\/p>\n

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Hi Andy, <\/strong><\/p>\n

The Venturing Powder Horn device is supposed to be worn on the left pocket of the uniform, suspended from the button. However, the Centennial uniform doesn\u2019t have a button on the left pocket, and the award can\u2019t be suspended from anything. So the question is: Where should the Powder Horn be placed? Thanks. (Greg Franck, Northwest Suburban Council, IL)<\/strong><\/p>\n

The Venturing uniform shirt is forest green and has buttons on both of its pockets. This Venturing training recognition will fit fine on the left pocket button. If you\u2019re going to wear it on the tan Centennial shirt, start by peeking under theright<\/em> pocket flap\u2026 see that button there? Well, sew one, the same size, under the left pocket flap and you\u2019re all set!<\/p>\n

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Hi Andy,<\/strong><\/p>\n

About the District Award of Merit, the Insignia Guide<\/em> says that if you received it once, that\u2019s it. I\u2019ve actually received this three times\u2014each with a different district in three different councils. But now the nomination form states, \u201cIt is not appropriate to nominate a Scouter who has already received this award.\u201d To my way of thinking, it would be better to say, \u201cIt is not appropriate to nominate a Scouter who has already received this awardin the same district<\/em>.\u201d Your thoughts? (Bob Monto, Minsi Trails Council, PA)<\/strong><\/p>\n

I’d absolutely agree that a district should always be on the lookout for “new” recipients and eschew awarding a D-A-M to someone who’s already been recognized by their district in this manner. However, IMHO there’s not a bloody thing wrong with a district recognizing one of their own whether or not<\/em> he or she has ever been recognized for exemplary services by another district, whether or not in the same council!<\/p>\n

We’re in the business of continuously (some say relentlessly) recruiting, training, supporting, and encouraging our volunteers. Without these people there would be no Scouting program, period. So, if someone can tell me the harm done by a small piece of cloth, some thread, a sheet of paper, and a wood-and-metal plaque, I’m all ears! We are, after all, talking about a BSA volunteer recognition; not the Medal of Honor! But if somebody really wants to go to the mat over this, be sure to slug ’em twice, so you can give ’em two Purple Hearts instead of just one! <wink><\/p>\n

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Dear Andy,<\/strong><\/p>\n

Is an Eagle Court of Honor required for the Scout to receive his Eagle Scout rank? (Greg Settle)<\/strong><\/p>\n

Short answer: ABSOLUTELY NOT!<\/p>\n

The Scout is an Eagle Scout on the date of his successful board of review, just like every other rank from Tenderfoot through Life. The Court of Honor following this, like all Courts of Honor, is merely the public recognition of advancement; it is not a step in the process itself. The original “recognition” (the fourth step in the Boy Scout advancement process) occurred when it was announced at the very soonest troop meeting following the board of review that the troop has a new Eagle Scout, and his name is… (followed by a hearty round of applause). Then, as soon as word comes back from the Irving, Texas office that the application is in proper order and this Scout is recognized by the national council as an Eagle Scout, he can begin wearing the oval Eagle Scout rank badge on his uniform\u2014no court of honor necessary for this, either!<\/p>\n

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Dear Andy,<\/strong><\/p>\n

I first have to tell you how much I love your column! I read it all the time. My question is one I haven’t seen and it\u2019s really concerning me. My youngest son is a Bear and I am his Den Leader. I\u2019ll likely be the Den Leader when he moves up to Webelos he end of this school year, when he\u2019ll be just turning ten years old. He\u2019s \u201coff\u201d by a year in school\u2014a decision his father and I made several years ago, correctly\u2014so technically he should be in 4th<\/sup> grade and already a Webelos. My husband is the local Scoutmaster and wants our son to push through the Webelos program in one year and move up to Boy Scouts to join his older brother. I\u2019m not in favor of this approach, because he\u2019s a little on the small side for his age, but my husband says I’m babying him because he\u2019s our youngest, and that he\u2019ll be 12 if I let him go through the full two years. I thought I was just doing the right thing, because he would just be going into 5th<\/sup> grade when he would cross over. Am I being over motherly by keeping him in Webelos for the 18 months, or should I let him join the troop after one year? Your thoughts would be appreciated. We\u2019re just to close to the subject. (Name & Council Withheld)<\/strong><\/p>\n

One of the very biggest and most important aspects of Scouting is the sense of belonging a boy and young man gets from being a part of a den, a pack, a patrol, a troop. This sense of belonging not only feeds his need for acceptance but also provides a “place of safety,” if you will, among his peers. It’s quite literally the same set of dynamics that bring teen-aged boys into street gangs\u2014the difference being that Scouting’s “gangs” are for the good! But, emotionally, they’re very close to identical. And they’re also extremely necessary in the growth and emotional development of our young people, both boys and girls! The “gangs” of Scouting, moreover, aren’t invested in “being” good\u2014they’re motivated to DO<\/span> GOOD (that’s straight from Baden-Powell, by the way)!<\/p>\n

So, your younger son is in with a den of Cubs that he’s been with for a couple of years already, and\u2014if all goes as planned\u2014not too long from now they’ll all together, as a den, graduate from their pack and, intact, become a Boy Scout patrol<\/span>. They stay together, work together, camp together, learn new skills together, elect their own Patrol Leader from among themselves, and then another on in six months’ time, and so on… They may, in fact, stay together as a patrol of friends for the next seven years! This is what your younger son has to look forward to! (And, remember, also, that these are the same boys who will be his classmates for the next seven years, too!)<\/p>\n

If your alternate plan is put in place, all of this will be taken away from him. He’ll be neither fish nor fowl\u2014He’ll join the troop, but solo; he’ll be salted into an existing patrol of boys he doesn’t know nearly as well as he does his own present den; then when his den comes into the troop later on, he won’t really be a part of them any more, so they’ll go on without him. He’ll be, in effect, a salted-in “outsider” for the next seven years.<\/p>\n

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see which plan I’m encouraging here, and you’d be right if you chose Plan A. Personally, I think the value of belonging far, far outweighs any slight leg up on “advancing” or any of the other things that Boy Scouting offers might have.<\/p>\n

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